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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

Velvia 50 is a tricky film to use as it's so high in contrast and its palette is so saturated. With the right subject it's wonderful stuff but it can be prone to a magenta cast. Trying to print Cibachrome from a Velvia slide was fun, you could get cyan highlights and magenta shadows (if I remember rightly, it's a long time since I last had a go) which were almost impossible to tune out without adversely affecting the colour balance of other areas.
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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

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Who mentioned film? That's a totally different debate, but not here.
It's example.

I love that AF. It's heaven sent.
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Richards version does look much better but itís now looking too purple.

Sorry to be critical yet offer no assistance in whatís actually wrong but I donít know where to begin. Iíd take a look at the original image / negative / slide to see what it looked like before it entered into the world of 1ís and 0ís.
What puzzles me is that I used the same image in the Nostalgia Nexus thread a few weeks back and nobody mentioned anything about it being blue. Somebody did mention that it had a 'cross processed look about it' but I think that was more about the range of colours which I felt had an almost prehistoric feel about it.

Back on to the original subject: whilst it is true that autofocus can usually be switched off, or overridden, the fact remains that modern cameras are not really designed for manual focusing, especially with regard to viewfinders.

I can easily put my 12 ~ 40 mm zoom into manual focus mode by pushing the focusing ring forward, but the mechanical action is heavy and nowhere near as pleasant to use as a proper manual focus OM lens.
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So that rectangle is green?

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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

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What puzzles me is that I used the same image in the Nostalgia Nexus thread a few weeks back and nobody mentioned anything about it being blue. Somebody did mention that it had a 'cross processed look about it' but I think that was more about the range of colours which I felt had an almost prehistoric feel about it.


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I can easily put my 12 ~ 40 mm zoom into manual focus mode by pushing the focusing ring forward, but the mechanical action is heavy and nowhere near as pleasant to use as a proper manual focus OM lens.
Nigel, I would have commented had I seen the picture in the Nostalgia section but itís not a section I visit.

I find the manual focus ring on my 12-100 somewhat annoying as it occasionally catches me out. Iíd prefer a simple switch like the existing IS on/off switch.
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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

The fact is that objects like leaves, black paint, and wet wood do reflect a blue sky.
Eliminating this cast moves the picture away from reality, yet in the digital age failure to do so is considered a fault.

In my opinion it is a bit too pronounced here, but that is down to the choice of film. Eliminating it completely would be more of a fault.


Back to the original topic, I prefer to think of a zone of focus rather than a point.
For me a depth-of-field scale on a lens is indispensable. I can not fathom why this basic control should be denied to digital shooters.
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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

Having used the top of the range Nikon dslr with there best 600mm lens in MF mode I have to say that using this combo for most of my pics would be a lot easier than AF, in that more in focus pics would be achieved. There was no backlash at all on the focus ring and following subjects was very clear and easy to do, only problem was that you need to be Samson to do it for any length of time.
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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

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Ŵhat about the annoying green light used to confirm focus?
Certainly beats the annoying 'pictures not quite focused' which I've had a lot. Practically any time I try manually focusing & don't magnify the view...
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The fact is that objects like leaves, black paint, and wet wood do reflect a blue sky.
Eliminating this cast moves the picture away from reality, yet in the digital age failure to do so is considered a fault.

In my opinion it is a bit too pronounced here, but that is down to the choice of film. Eliminating it completely would be more of a fault.
Thank you Stephen; that was my thought too although I realise now that I have some work to do on the image. I particularly like the bright green moss on the seat which is diminished by filtering out the blues.

However, colour cast aside, I originally posted these photographs to counter the argument that manual focus and film photography in particular result in (I quote) "fuzzy, grainy snaps", which I would contend these are not.


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My suggestion to you is to sell all your digital gear as you are obviously not happy with modern technology and go back to taking your fuzzy, grainy snaps exclusively. You seem to enjoy being a Luddite. Regards, Ian W.
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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

I always thought when digital camera arrived they'd be the same size as my OM1 film cameras, use the same lenses and digital media would replace film for recording/changing ISO and manual focus in the old way would remain.

When bodies and lenses increased so much in size, the only digital cameras I used until the OMD EM5 Mk1 came out were compacts. I'd finally given up waiting for camera manufactures to see the error of their ways.

It's only now I have deteriorating eyesight that I prefer autofocus most of the time. But only because manufacturers have failed to build in programable electronic eye compensation. Viewfinder spectacle recognition to turn this on/off would also be useful.
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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

Personally, I prefer Manual Focus. It makes shooting more... interactive.

AF has revolutionized Photography indeed but in most cases I find myself shooting with my old MF lenses that the newer AF ones.

It is worth noting that AF lenses are not optimized for manual focusing at all.
The focus ring is short and it is very difficult to fine focus, unlike old lenses.
So it's not fair to compare manual focusing between them.

Strangely enough, I prefer MF even on Telephoto Lenses. When I am using my 200-500mm lenses and I shoot birds, for example, people ask me how on earth did I manage. I actually find it easier, there is no "focus hunting", fine focusing is easy and I have a high success rate.
For street photography, hyperfocal does the trick. A small manual focus wide andgle prime set at f/8 has everything focus from 2m to infinity.
Macro is also another fine example where MF is preferable most of the times.
Last but no least, I only use MF for portraits. I focus where I want (may be the eyes, the hair, hands etc) and not where the camera thinks I should focus.

I do not get distracted by the "beep" or the green light and I do use AF on my 14-150mm II which is my all-around lens and I use it for general shooting and when I travel.

But if I had to choose one of the two, MF or AF, I would choose MF hands down.
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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

As someone who made quite a good living as a wedding photographer using a RB 67 Pro SD as my main camera for many years I know that these are capable of producing excellent results. My comments re fuzzy grainy snaps was aimed solely at Richo who likes to be contentious at the best of times, and hope he took it in the spirit it was meant. Sorry that Nigel took it out of context. Regards, Ian W.
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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

Of course, if you want fuzzy grainy snaps, you can still get them on a modern digital camera - it just takes a little more effort.
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Re: Honestly, do you like autofocus?

My preference for hand held shooting is usually auto focus, it's quicker and more accurate than focusing manually, for me at least. However there are times where manually selecting the focus is easier, especially hyper focal distance. For example, if taking a landscape shot with the camera on a tripod and you want as much as possible to be in focus there's always the dilemma of where to place your focus point. Switching to manual and selecting hyper focal is quick and easy. The trouble is that not many lenses designed for auto focus digital cameras seem to include a depth of field scale. Fortunately the lenses I have for my Hasselblad H1 allow both auto focus and manual focus with a depth of field scale and it's quick and easy to switch between the two. With that camera I'm probably about 50-50 in terms of using auto focus and manual.

My Sinar F view camera has a very nifty depth of field calculator built into the focusing system that not only gives you the optimum point of focus but tells you what aperture you need to achieve acceptable focus between two points.
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