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Adobe LR CC

I remain bemused at the various changes that Adobe makes to this software, most of which are beyond my comprehension.

The latest relates to lens profiles. When I click on "Profile", down comes a tremendous menu of lens manufacturers, most of whom I have never heard of.

Surprisingly, to me that is, two names are now missing from the list, Olympus and Panasonic. Have they been rude to Adobe?

For any lens that does not have its manufacturer on the list, it defaults to "Built-in", which may or not be true.

Most of my lenses do not need correcting, but one that does is the Olympus 12-50. At 12 mm FL there is visible distortion which has certainly not been corrected, despite the "Built-in" fib.

Has anyone found a away around this please?
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Re: Adobe LR CC

I'm in the same boat as you Peter. I can't work out what keeps changing with the updates. Not that I can use the latest stuff anyway on my ancient PC so I end up paying to be able to use the latest software but can't get anything better than the version I had already! Sorry not much help to you but I also thought it was odd that Oly lenses were not listed.
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Re: Adobe LR CC

Lens correction data is stored in the lens itself. It's part of the micro four thirds standard. Every photo you take includes this data in the raw file. Lightroom (and many other raw processors) will use this data to correct distortions automatically without the need for any additional correction profile. For this reason you won't see any profiles for native mft lenses.

If you are still seeing distortion, then blame the lens manufacturer not Lightroom. You can of course add your own correction data if you wish and even save it as a user profile.
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Re: Adobe LR CC

Paul,

Indeed, as you say, the lens corrections should be made in the camera, but in practice not all of them are.

My Olympus 12-40, 14-150 II, 75-300, 17 f1.8, and 60 mm Macro lenses show neither CA, nor distortion.

The 14-150 II and 75-300, both show slight vignetting.

My Olympus 12-50, Panasonic 14-42 PZ and Panasonic 20 mm all show no CA, no vignetting but varying amounts of barrel distortion depending on the focal length.

I have just done some shots of tiles in by bathroom to check that this is so.

In fact, as I recall, these were correctable in earlier versions of LR, because I made User Presets to fix them.

It seems to me that Adobe has made an easy and totally incorrect assumption that for Olympus and Panasonic cameras all corrections are made in camera and Adobe has the "Built-in" cop-out to prove it.

Before subscribing to Adobe CC, I used LR starting in 2009 when I got my E-P1, which had RAW files that could not be read by Photoshop. I progressed from LR3 to LR 5.7. I coupled these with PS7.

I had to go to CC when the PS7 would work no longer with LR5.7.

Initially the versions of LR and PS in CC worked reasonably well for me, but later updates have crippled them.

For a couple of examples, in PS I used to able to print image files and show a grid over the image I was working on. Neither of these functions now.

Image Post Processing is now much more difficult than it ever was before CC.

The so-called "Help" function in CC is utterly useless, I have never got anything useful from it.

I do the updates as they come through, thinking that users might have had the same problems as me, and a fix might be there. So far none has appeared.

I certainly do not think this is worth a 10 per month subscription, well not for me, but I have noted Adobe's surge in profitability following the launch of CC.

I would like to find some alternative software to replace LR and PS, but I have a couple of possible problems. One is that I am dependent on the LR Catalogue. I have all my image files, 80,000 of them, catalogued under date and place. I need to be able to access that in a meaningful way. Secondly, in the interests of standardisation my images are all stored as RAW DNG files.

Any suggestions about alternative image processing software would be welcome.

One saving grace is that the cameras I have now produce much better IQ than ever before. However, I still have all the old ones to work on from time to time. . .
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Re: Adobe LR CC

Are you viewing JPEGs Peter or raw files? JPEGs will have the corrections already built in to them by the camera. Only raw files will be interpreted directly by LR. Also, it's only the geometric corrections that are automatically corrected by LR - not CA or vignetting.
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Re: Adobe LR CC

Paul,

My normal workflow is to shoot RAW and copy the files off the card into the PC using the import function in LR, converting them to DNG at the same time.

Mostly I am shooting images for stock which can be dealt with in my own good time.

From time to time I also shoot News pictures, which have to be captioned, keyworded and uploaded fast. I have recently started shooting RAW + LF jpg for these. I keep the DNG for my archive and upload the OOC jpg to the Agency. Taking care over the exposures means that very little needs to be done to them other than some small tweaks in Photoshop.

I have not detected any difference in distortion between the RAW and the jpg, but I will check it out on a shoot tomorrow. . .
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Paul,

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I would like to find some alternative software to replace LR and PS, but I have a couple of possible problems. One is that I am dependent on the LR Catalogue. I have all my image files, 80,000 of them, catalogued under date and place. I need to be able to access that in a meaningful way. Secondly, in the interests of standardisation my images are all stored as RAW DNG files.

Any suggestions about alternative image processing software would be welcome.

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Luminar 3 has just been announced and it claims to be a Lightroom alternative.

Not tried it personally, but might be worth a look.

https://skylum.com/luminar
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Re: Adobe LR CC

Peter

Why do you convert the images to DNG, from what I have seen the DNG does not (or didnot suppport all the information in the Raw file ie focus point).

Also take a look at the Lightroom Queen web site and forum, there is some information that you might find useful.
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Re: Adobe LR CC

There are lots of photo editing applications out there.

Affinity Photo is a good alternative to Photoshop.

ON1 Photo Raw, Luminar 3, Alien Skin Exposure, or Capture One are closer to Lightroom in functionality. Capture One is more expensive than Lightroom.

ON1 Photo Raw is worth a look if you want a raw converter with layers and a good range of effects editing tools like tonal contrast etc. The new 2019 version is a much easier to use work flow. Maybe ON1 will do all you need.
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Re: Adobe LR CC

Thanks very much for those alternatives.

However, after careful consideration, I decided that LR 2019 is OK, apart that is from my gripe about lens profiles, which is not really serious. My real problem is with PS 2019.

I managed to find out how to install earlier versions of PS and installed Ps 2017.

With that, all my problems with PS vanished. A remaining problem was that when I asked LR to open a photo in PS, it would only offer the 2019 version.

I uninstalled PS 2019, and all is now working OK.

Thanks all. . .
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Re: Adobe LR CC

Derek, not sure why Peter converts to dng but i do it as i cant open orf files with lightroom on my old 32bit pc as CC will only update to an old version of LR in 32bit. It wil open dng files.
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Derek, not sure why Peter converts to dng but i do it as i cant open orf files with lightroom on my old 32bit pc as CC will only update to an old version of LR in 32bit. It wil open dng files.
I used to use only PS and ACR, but I got a nasty shock when I got my first m4/3 camera, an E-P1, in about 2009. The files from my E5 were *.ORF and opened OK in ACR. The files from the E-P1 were also *.ORF but could not be opened. To open them I had to buy LR3.

Finding out that the ORF file extension was not enough to identify which software would be usable led me convert all my files to DNG. I also have files from several other camera makes, so I tried to get uniformity by making them all DNG.

All my PP is done on a 64bit computer now

Fortunately, with some new year good fortune, I managed to sort out my problems with Adobe CC, so I am OK with my 80,000 DNG files, at least for now..
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