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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

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"She reiterated that the X is not the successor of the E-M1 mkII. It's a specialist tool more geared towards showing what is possible within the system and should be seen as a type of marketing rather than earning them big $."
In which case the marketing is telling me that they are really pushing towards a sports/wildlife market. As someone who doesn't shoot those genres it's totally the wrong message.

I'm also totally bemused why any commercial organisation would want to spend all that R&D effort (including wasted opportunity since I can't imagine the engineering to make gear like the E-M1x is growing on trees) on something which they think will lose money even before it's launched.
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In which case the marketing is telling me that they are really pushing towards a sports/wildlife market. As someone who doesn't shoot those genres it's totally the wrong message.

I'm also totally bemused why any commercial organisation would want to spend all that R&D effort (including wasted opportunity since I can't imagine the engineering to make gear like the E-M1x is growing on trees) on something which they think will lose money even before it's launched.
I think that's just the gripe trend that has been built up in the eyes of many that prefer the small form factor because of certain rumours etc. & I really think the negativity towards the E-M1X is unfounded. It won't be everyone's choice, but I know a few that will buy it (if it lives up to the claims so far).

Here is the entire quote of the poster (Ippy) in 43Rumors. Note that three M4/3's cameras are coming this year (the other two later) & several Premium lenses, not Pro (except for the three with the 1X?).
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Talked to my Olympus contact yesterday for the first time in 6 months. She said that basically everything presented on 43rumors is correct. Including a total of 3x m43 cameras from Olympus next year. Only the X will be released in H1 of 2019 though, the others will be presented in Q2 but released in H2.

She reiterated that the X is not the successor of the E-M1 mkII. It's a specialist tool more geared towards showing what is possible within the system and should be seen as a type of marketing rather than earning them big $.
She wasn't sure if the 150-400 would be released in late 2019 or 2020, it will not be released at the same time as the X. She avoided answering my question about F-number of the lens. She also confirmed that 3 lenses were going to be presented at the same time as the X. 8 lenses to be released in 2019, the majority in the premium segment, not PRO. The PRO lineup is regarded as pretty much complete to use her words, focusing on premium lenses for a while now.

She also mentioned that the PROs that have been testing the X for a while now are praising it really high. I could really tell she was excited and it was obvious that she knows they have created something special. Normally I would take this part with a grain of salt, but it wasn't what she said but how she said it that really sold me that it wasn't just marketing talk.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

You must be on the Payroll, Ross, hope they pay you well.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

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A Nikon D810 FF body only weighs 880gm. !

The EM1X is just too big and heavy for me.

I will pass on this one. Hope some of the tech filters down.

Apparently, the EM1-mk2 is about to get a firmware upgrade - we will see.
Anyone can make small and light bodies - look at the Sony Apha 7 range, which are full frame and very small. It's the lenses that can't defy physics. Even the APS mirrorless lenses are enormous compared to Micro Four Thirds.

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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

Yes, refractive index of glass. I understand Leica have invested, along with their customers, in some exotic blends. I wouldn’t call the aluminium version of the nifty-fifty f/1,4 asph heavy, but I have the silver brass version that weighs as much as a small cannon ball. I love the heft, feels like value for money if weight is the criteria. It’s not too bad optically either, and if I was allowed one complaint I would say it’s too perfect, the images are too sharp. Real life vision doesn’t look like the over sharp output capable of modern camera systems.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

Apart from a brief foray into Nikon APS-C for six months, I've stuck with Olympus since 2004, but really don't like the way this is going. It's not that what I've got isn't good enough, for now at least, but the upgrade path v pricing v e.g. A7 iii just doesn't make sense to me.

I understand that people that want to shoot sports/wildlife will probably be very happy with the offerings, and the long M43 lenses will always be smaller, but, like Paul, I don't shoot either of those, and can't remember the last time I shot with anything longer than the 45mm F1.8.

What I don't want is to end up like previous four thirds users...... a lot of investment in kit that becomes next to worthless very quickly, and having to start from scratch again financially to invest in something else - camera bodies are always going to be a loser, but no one with a considerable amount of money spent on decent lenses wants to see them worth a fraction of what they paid for them.

I'm not jumping ship, but I'm watching very closely!
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

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Apart from a brief foray into Nikon APS-C for six months, I've stuck with Olympus since 2004, but really don't like the way this is going................

What I don't want is to end up like previous four thirds users...... a lot of investment in kit that becomes next to worthless very quickly, and having to start from scratch again financially to invest in something else - camera bodies are always going to be a loser, but no one with a considerable amount of money spent on decent lenses wants to see them worth a fraction of what they paid for them.

I'm not jumping ship, but I'm watching very closely!
The beat of advancing technology goes faster every year. Is it realistic these days to buy some technology and expect it to retain its value for 14 years? A digital camera body certainly not IMHO.

What is the expected depreciation rate of a lens ?, I think still pretty scary.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

Anybody going to the preview days?


https://www.olympus-imagespace.co.uk/launchdays/


"BE ONE OF THE FIRST

We have teamed up with photographic retailers up and down the country for the launch of our brand new OM-D camera.
Dedicated to meeting the demands of professional photographers, this OM-D fits the bill when it comes to easy handling, advanced technology and high-level features.
Join us at our upcoming in-store preview days to be one of the very first to get up close and personal with the new addition to the OM-D family, as well as the latest award-winning Olympus equipment. Each event will be hosted by an Olympus Expert, on-hand to answer any questions about both established and new additions to the Olympus Micro Four Thirds range.
Find your nearest event below and mark the date in your diary. Then be sure to check back on 24th January when all will become clear!"


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The beat of advancing technology goes faster every year. Is it realistic these days to buy some technology and expect it to retain its value for 14 years? A digital camera body certainly not IMHO.

What is the expected depreciation rate of a lens ?, I think still pretty scary.
If asked for guidance I would say to someone starting: ''look you're only going to make a dozen good photos a year, at best. Don't bother clicking just because you can, resist the temptation to be trigger happy. As a consequence get yourself a film camera and start with a nifty-fifty, you'll have tons of money left over for all the film you need for ever more. If you want to move up to a better camera, or lenses, or both, no problem. You can sell what you have for near zero loss, or more likely make a small profit.'

Only this week I purchased a PK 50mm f/1.4 for 62 posted. The lens is immaculate as though it had never been used. (I already had the same in f/1.7 but I like big glass - yeah don't ask )
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

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Anybody going to the preview days?

https://www.olympus-imagespace.co.uk/launchday
I'm planning to go to the SRS one next Saturday, 26th. I guess a few other locals from here will go to that.
I'll take my 300mm f4 and see if I can lift that combo ....
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

Seems it's in Leamington (LCE) on 7th Feb so I'll go to that.

In the meantime, I've been looking at sample raw files from the Nikon Z6 and it's probably 2-3 stops better in noise performance than the E-M1ii.

If short zooms are your desire, then their new S lenses are very similar to m43 offerings (at least when retracted for storage) - the 24-70 is about the same as the 12-40 and the 14-30 is about the same as the PL 8-18 and smaller than the Oly 7-14. It takes filters too. With the adapter the camera will take practically any Nikon lens out there, and there is lots of user gear at good prices. Very tempting....

Of course things quickly get much heavier once you put the F adapter on and start looking at lenses like the 200-500 f5.6! Thankfully that's not my bag:

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..........can't remember the last time I shot with anything longer than the 45mm F1.8...........

Shorter focal lengths and, especially, portrait lenses cannot take advantage of a smaller sensor in the way that long lenses (for sport and wildlife) can.



The problem is that many portrait photographers want a shallow depth of field to isolate their subject. On 'full frame', an 85mm f/1.8 is often regarded as an excellent portrait lens but, to achieve both equivalent angle of view AND depth of field, on MFT, requires a 42.5mm f/0.95, which is a rather massive beast that negates any weight and size advantage that the smaller format might be thought to provide. The all purpose system remains a myth!



I'm very happy with MFT, because I like small and light telephoto lenses
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Seems it's in Leamington (LCE) on 7th Feb so I'll go to that.

In the meantime, I've been looking at sample raw files from the Nikon Z6 and it's probably 2-3 stops better in noise performance than the E-M1ii.

If short zooms are your desire, then their new S lenses are very similar to m43 offerings (at least when retracted for storage) - the 24-70 is about the same as the 12-40 and the 14-30 is about the same as the PL 8-18 and smaller than the Oly 7-14. It takes filters too. With the adapter the camera will take practically any Nikon lens out there, and there is lots of user gear at good prices. Very tempting....

Of course things quickly get much heavier once you put the F adapter on and start looking at lenses like the 200-500 f5.6! Thankfully that's not my bag:

Ah, the lovely F3. OMG I feel GAS attack coming on!

(I'm sure you posted that on purpose, knowing...)
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Anybody going to the preview days?
I have a ticket for the Ffordes event on Feb 8th in Inverness but mainly for the Tesni Ward talk with a wishful glance at the Olympus stuff.
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https://www.43rumors.com/some-more-e...confrimations/

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