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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

A Nikon D810 FF body only weighs 880gm. !

The EM1X is just too big and heavy for me.

I will pass on this one. Hope some of the tech filters down.

Apparently, the EM1-mk2 is about to get a firmware upgrade - we will see.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

I wish Olympus well, but for a camera weighing 100g less you get a camera with 4x the sensor area. Ok FF lenses are larger and heavier, so what. Why push the envelope using fancy post processing when the larger sensor offers greater opportunity. Olympus have boxed themselves in based on a design decision taken in the days when silicon imaging chips were more expensive than they are today. Fabrication costs will continue to fall, I'm sure. It's the way it is.
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I wish Olympus well, but for a camera weighing 100g less you get a camera with 4x the sensor area. Ok FF lenses are larger and heavier, so what.
Erm - you can't use a camera without a lens - that's what!

It's the total weight of the kit that's important.

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Erm - you can't use a camera without a lens - that's what!

It's the total weight of the kit that's important.

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Wake up, did I at any stage mention the weight disadvantage of FF lenses. Obviously if you take the trouble to read what I said.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

Well, I know we're still in the rumours phase, but... it seems to me that this is probably the same sensor as the E-M1ii (or very close to it so far as photon capture and conversion to a signal is concerned). So Olympus's vision for 2019 has raw file performance still only marginally better than it was with the E-M5 in 2013.

Given that this is a "halo" product, I can only conclude that it'll be at least another 2-3 years before an improved sensor may arrive in a body that weighs less than a kilo. Disappointed is how I'm feeling.

I can only conclude that they have no interest or desire to improve IQ in terms of noise or DR for raw shooters (landscape etc). This camera seems to be mainly about speed, AF and big lens handling for sports and wildlife.

For my needs, Olympus are definitely barking up the wrong tree at the moment. Size, weight, price are all putting this new camera into competition with others that have not just bigger sensors but which have features that are perfectly adequate for my intended uses but which will offer a much wider shooting envelope.

I'm not suggesting that I'm off to buy into another system anytime soon (the existence of the E-M1x doesn't make my current gear work less well!), but it does start me thinking about the longer term.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

Sadly it's not for me either if this information is correct. Ho hum.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

Coincidentally the Lumix S1 and S1r makes a debut in London.

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/n...s-london-debut
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

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A Nikon D810 FF body only weighs 880gm. !

The EM1X is just too big and heavy for me.

I will pass on this one. Hope some of the tech filters down.

Apparently, the EM1-mk2 is about to get a firmware upgrade - we will see.
The Nikon would weigh way more with a battery grip though.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

That guy "spycychyly thinks it's a new 20MP sensor.
– “It has a much better sensor. I guesstimate the low light performance to be 0.3 to 0.5 stops better than a D500. Usable depends on your taste.“. Over half a stop better than E-M1II
– “Iso 2500 on the x looks like 1600 on the Em1.2 probably. Like I said, a bit better than a D500.”
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

I think Olympus May well be doing what Canon and Nikon do that is produce a 1 series camera It's not aimed at the mass market at all but is the flag ship model .


It's for those that want / need the very best, sure it cost more and has more bulk but like my 1dx mkII is top of there range .
This is good as often new tec from the lead model is passed down to other models at a later date .
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I think Olympus May well be doing what Canon and Nikon do that is produce a 1 series camera It's not aimed at the mass market at all but is the flag ship model .


It's for those that want / need the very best, sure it cost more and has more bulk but like my 1dx mkII is top of there range .
This is good as often new tec from the lead model is passed down to other models at a later date .
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Hope they don't wait too long to pass it down.
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That guy "spycychyly thinks it's a new 20MP sensor.
– “It has a much better sensor. I guesstimate the low light performance to be 0.3 to 0.5 stops better than a D500. Usable depends on your taste.“. Over half a stop better than E-M1II
– “Iso 2500 on the x looks like 1600 on the Em1.2 probably. Like I said, a bit better than a D500.”
I've looked at D500 images and it seemed to me to be notably better in noise handling than the EM1.2. The logic above ("0.3 to 0.5 better than D500", "over half a stop better than E-M1ii") implies the E-M1ii is already as good as the D500 and I think that's plain wrong.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

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............ Ok FF lenses are larger and heavier, so what. ..............

There's nothing 'magic' about FF. The standard press camera used to be the Speed Graphic, with a 4" x 5" film format. When the Rolleiflex 2Ό" square format proved perfectly adequate for the job, and was much more convenient, it quickly took over. Then Nikon introduced their tough 35 mm cameras which could do the job and, again, were much more convenient. Of course, those older larger formats were technically better but convenience factors held sway.


A digital sensor provides more dynamic range, sensitivity, and resolution than film emulsion. A digital sensor that is smaller than a 35mm film frame can do the job and, especially for sports and wildlife work, is much more convenient.


History tells us that the convenience factor cannot be ignored.
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Re: New Olympus OMD - EM1X ?

The key thing about photography is the image and its connection with the viewer; there's too much emphasis with technical performance of the camera, such as noise handling.

S/N has always been a problem in signal processing, and will continue to be the case until material technology overcomes the unwanted, inherent interaction at the subatomic level.

Larger signal is generally the best starting point. To start small and amplify will always hit the buffers at some point. More MP per unit area is clearly not the solution.

I'd agree FF is not the magic answer, but it offers an adequate compromise regarding S/N compared to the larger format digital (what's mistakenly is called MF by Fuji) and the necessary larger lenses to form an image circle.

There's plenty of options out there for photographers. So if size and weight are prime considerations MFT offers a good compromise, but I feel the EMIX goes against the ethos of small and adequate. As always, your miles per gallon might be different to the model of car I own and drive.
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The key thing about photography is the image and its connection with the viewer; there's too much emphasis with technical performance of the camera, such as noise handling.

S/N has always been a problem in signal processing, and will continue to be the case until material technology overcomes the unwanted, inherent interaction at the subatomic level.

Larger signal is generally the best starting point. To start small and amplify will always hit the buffers at some point. More MP per unit area is clearly not the solution.

I'd agree FF is not the magic answer, but it offers an adequate compromise regarding S/N compared to the larger format digital (what's mistakenly is called MF by Fuji) and the necessary larger lenses to form an image circle.

There's plenty of options out there for photographers. So if size and weight are prime considerations MFT offers a good compromise, but I feel the EMIX goes against the ethos of small and adequate. As always, your miles per gallon might be different to the model of car I own and drive.
In response to how you feel about the E-M1X, a certain Olympus contact made this (excerpt) comment, as quoted by Ippy here (43Rumors). More of her comment makes interesting reading too.

"She reiterated that the X is not the successor of the E-M1 mkII. It's a specialist tool more geared towards showing what is possible within the system and should be seen as a type of marketing rather than earning them big $."

If other camera manufacturers took that same narrow approach to their product line that you seem to say about Olympus, then where would their emphasis be? Only top end cameras & no entry level ones?
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