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Smile Airshow season tips please

The airshow at Fairford is a week away and I attend every year, usually over two days. For the last 15 years it was with my Pentax DSLR gear, this year the debut of my E-M1 Mark 2. Do more experienced users have any tips on camera settings? Main lens will be the Oly 75-300 with the 12-100 Pro also present. It is really the challenge of capturing aircraft in flight that interests me.
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Re: Airshow season tips please

There are a few tips on this thread along with some piccies which should prove useful. https://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=38684
I should add that my efforts were with the 50-200 or the 70-300 on an E3.
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Re: Airshow season tips please

Don't shoot more than 6fps!

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Re: Airshow season tips please

Aircraft in flight are generally quite tricky - not as erratic as birds though.
For jets you usually ant fast shutter speeds 1/1000s or faster.
With propeller aircraft I find they just look wrong unless there is movement blur in the prop. The actual speed varies a bit with the plane 1/250s is a reasonable starting point high performance aircraft can allow a stop faster, helicopters IMO need a stop slower!
I generally have shutter priority set for prop aircraft & aperture priority set for something suitable for jets so can quickly switch between subjects.
I use spot metering & of course panning is highly recommended.
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Re: Airshow season tips please

I was at Yeovilton over the weekend, the most challenging thing I found was the light, very dull early on and extremely bright at the end.
The early afternoon was the best light really, the heat haze being the usual problem as it hotted up, which it really did!

I started out with 1/320 for prop craft but found I had panning problems so went up to 1/500th which improved the panning and didn't really affect prop blur too much.

For the fast jets I used my BIF preset which was 1/2000th, wide open and auto ISO. I felt I had more success though when I upped the shutter to 1/4000th.

Once again I felt the E-m1 mkii sensor didn't cope with the light conditions as well as I would have hoped ( I've had a whinge about this before!) and I wished I'd used the Canon full frame instead.

I saw some really lovely shots on an airshow forum but then realised he was using a Canon 5DS, hardly a fair comparison!
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I was at Yeovilton over the weekend, the most challenging thing I found was the light, very dull early on and extremely bright at the end.
The early afternoon was the best light really, the heat haze being the usual problem as it hotted up, which it really did!

I started out with 1/320 for prop craft but found I had panning problems so went up to 1/500th which improved the panning and didn't really affect prop blur too much.

For the fast jets I used my BIF preset which was 1/2000th, wide open and auto ISO. I felt I had more success though when I upped the shutter to 1/4000th.

Once again I felt the E-m1 mkii sensor didn't cope with the light conditions as well as I would have hoped ( I've had a whinge about this before!) and I wished I'd used the Canon full frame instead.

I saw some really lovely shots on an airshow forum but then realised he was using a Canon 5DS, hardly a fair comparison!
The EM1 mk2 is probably better than either of my MFT bodies - I find airshows is one of the places where my DSLR is still preferable.
1/500s is usually fine for WW2 fighters & stunt planes, though I personally prefer more prop blur. Biplanes can need slower speeds.

I've had a lot of practice with panning - working with motorsport helps.
Even so I do tend to get quite a few where the plane isn't sharp enough. At least with digital taking copious shots is no problem other than when it comes to reviewing them!
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Re: Airshow season tips please

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I was at Yeovilton over the weekend, ...
Once again I felt the E-m1 mkii sensor didn't cope with the light conditions as well as I would have hoped ( I've had a whinge about this before!) and I wished I'd used the Canon full frame instead.
What is the particular Em1M2 sensor problem you perceived - image noise, lack of tonality, insufficient contrast or something else?
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Re: Airshow season tips please

hi 090657,
This article i wrote as a tutorial might be helpful fr you i think.
http://e-group.uk.net/forum/editpost...epost&p=152719


Btw,it's rubbish that you will need fast shutterspeeds for fast moving aircraft. n many occoasion i shot jets with shutterspeeds asl low as 125. I wrote back then the article with people like you in mind. to teach people that faster shutterspeeds, as high as1/1000 or more, ain't nessecary. It thekind of bs that they will tell you at every photography course and tell in, almost, any phtography book. This because aviation photography ain't like "normal" photography.

Hope you can use the tips and tricks i wrote down in the article.
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Re: Airshow season tips please

Andre that link wont let me have access for some reason. Not sure if anyone else can see it?
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Re: Airshow season tips please

I have tha same problem - which show the following?


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However, a search found this - which works https://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19037
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Yes that's what I got too.
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Re: Airshow season tips please

Thinking back to Duxford Jonathan Saull gave us these setting tips for aircraft for the EM1 Mk2 but I'm sure they are pretty generic.
Shoot RAW
Shutter priority, ~1/320s for props and 1/1000 or more for fast jets
Use CAF and focus areas 1, 5 or 9
Centre weighted metering
Iso usually 200 or 320 if needed
Sequential Low and 6fps
SIS off (although others left it on and it seemed ok)
He also recommended setting up presets for the settings eg one for static and one for flight.
You've probably got most of these tips by now but just thought I'd summarise what we were told at the Duxford experience day. Hope this helps.
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Re: Airshow season tips please

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Thinking back to Duxford Jonathan Saull gave us these setting tips for aircraft for the EM1 Mk2 but I'm sure they are pretty generic.
Shoot RAW
Shutter priority, ~1/320s for props and 1/1000 or more for fast jets
Use CAF and focus areas 1, 5 or 9
Centre weighted metering
Iso usually 200 or 320 if needed
Sequential Low and 6fps
SIS off (although others left it on and it seemed ok)
He also recommended setting up presets for the settings eg one for static and one for flight.
You've probably got most of these tips by now but just thought I'd summarise what we were told at the Duxford experience day. Hope this helps.
Yes those are the standard tips you'll find in hundreds of places (books/videos/websites...)Which DO work.
You can of course shoot jets at slower shutter speeds but there's no advantage in slow speeds & getting pin sharp images at slower speeds is difficult. I've spoilt more that a few jet shots by having too much blur even at 1/1000
I've seen loads of internet pictures of propeller aircraft taken at higher shutter speeds that just look static. I'd rather have to bin 9 out of 10 shots from poor panning than all of them from frozen props
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Wally thanks for the working link, well searched.
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Re: Airshow season tips please

Mike u right in the fact that shooting jets with low shutterspeeds is difficult but it comes down to practice and putting lots of hours in learning it. regarding your comment on the blur in your pics, means that you didn't pan enough, pan to slow or to fast. I'm photgraph airplanes since 1988 (29 yrs) and once you master also the difficult technics you never forget. I never said taking pics of planes was easy. Also it helps to talk to the guys with the handheld scanners, wearing often green bomberjacks with all kind of aviation patches on it and carrying the expencive gear and at times lugging around with a small stepladder. Most times that are the guys at the fences or as close as possible by the crowd barriers at airshows. They called plane sptters :P
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