Olympus UK E-System User Group
Olympus UK E-System User Group

Join our unique resource for Olympus Four Thirds E-System DSLR and Pen and OM-D Micro Four Thirds photographers. Show your images via our free e-group photo gallery. Please read the e-group.uk.net forum terms and conditions before posting for the first time. Above all, welcome!


Go Back   Olympus UK E-System User Group > Cameras, lenses and system accessories > Lens focus > Macro

Macro Getting really close

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 13th March 2018
alfbranch's Avatar
alfbranch alfbranch is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Whitehaven Cumbria
Posts: 6,290
Thanks: 1,497
Thanked 761 Times in 722 Posts
Likes: 1,022
Liked 2,325 Times in 827 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Quote:
Originally Posted by mik View Post
Strange i would have thought giving people ideas of what can be done is a good thing on a thread like this.
So sorry for trying to be helpfull
It is in the title really so how many of them were yours?

Quote:
Originally Posted by peak4 View Post
Perhaps I shouldn't post these two links then;

I've not looked at his stuff for a while, but seriously impressive, both photographically and from an engineering perspective.
There is a relevance in there somewhere, as I seem to recall he used to use Olympus kit.

Frans'Flickr Site and pbase
Nikon user and see above but I agree that is fascinating stuff
__________________
OMD E-M1 OMD E-M5II MMF3 12-40 pro 12-50 EZ 14-42 EZ 9-18 f4.0 -5.6 40 -150f4-f5.6 R 60mm f2.8 macro Sigma 105 f2.8 macro Holga 60mm plastic Holga pinhole lens lens and a XZ-1 Olympus - 35 SP Trip 35 Pen EEs OM2sp

I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 13th March 2018
alfbranch's Avatar
alfbranch alfbranch is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Whitehaven Cumbria
Posts: 6,290
Thanks: 1,497
Thanked 761 Times in 722 Posts
Likes: 1,022
Liked 2,325 Times in 827 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeOxon View Post
I don't have a single 'rig' - it all depends on the subject. It also depends on what is meant by 'macro'. A lot of the purists think macro only applies to 1:1 and larger but, for most people, it means something more like filling the frame with a butterfly.

For 'nervous' and active subjects in the field, such as butterflies, a long lens with close-focus capability is a very useful asset, since trying to get close with a 'traditional' macro lens (<100mm FL) can be difficult. My Leica 100-400mm is excellent for butterflies, dragonflies, and the like.

Add-ons, like large lighting rigs, make a close approach even more difficult. The best field accessory, if you need extra light, is an assistant who can hold a powerful flash well above the subject, to provide 'artificial sunlight'.

For smaller static objects and flowers, I rely on my 60mm macro lens and use its focus-stacking capability. I find LED lights are very useful, as they can be placed very close, to give high intensity lighting in a small area, without 'cooking' the subject I use various types for different subjects - ring light round the lens, GU10-mount spotlamps in flexible-arm reading lights and even a LED torch or two, which can easily be moved around to direct light exactly where it is needed.

I find the flexible screen on my E-M1 Mkii very useful for viewing the subject and its lighting, which is much easier to judge with LEDs rather than flash. The live view can also be magnified to check focus

So, in summary, no fixed rig, but various lighting arrangements to suit the subject. I did enjoy, however, browsing through the various 'contraptions' in the link by 'mik'.
Show us some those set ups and explain what they work best with
__________________
OMD E-M1 OMD E-M5II MMF3 12-40 pro 12-50 EZ 14-42 EZ 9-18 f4.0 -5.6 40 -150f4-f5.6 R 60mm f2.8 macro Sigma 105 f2.8 macro Holga 60mm plastic Holga pinhole lens lens and a XZ-1 Olympus - 35 SP Trip 35 Pen EEs OM2sp

I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 13th March 2018
alfbranch's Avatar
alfbranch alfbranch is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Whitehaven Cumbria
Posts: 6,290
Thanks: 1,497
Thanked 761 Times in 722 Posts
Likes: 1,022
Liked 2,325 Times in 827 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Here is a macro rigg I looked at using on holiday

My Olympus E-M1 with Grip and Nissin Di466 flash and homemade diffuser.
Three kooka tubes and Zuiko 40-150 f4-5.6 R plus Raynox DCR250.

The trouble with using a lens like this and Raynox is that the focus distance changes as you zoom in and out due to the length of the lens changing.
This video explains it I think



Zuiko-40-150-tubes-and-raynox by Alf Branch, on Flickr

This is a ruler shot with it

40-150-mag-test-tubes-+R by Alf Branch, on Flickr
__________________
OMD E-M1 OMD E-M5II MMF3 12-40 pro 12-50 EZ 14-42 EZ 9-18 f4.0 -5.6 40 -150f4-f5.6 R 60mm f2.8 macro Sigma 105 f2.8 macro Holga 60mm plastic Holga pinhole lens lens and a XZ-1 Olympus - 35 SP Trip 35 Pen EEs OM2sp

I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
chris (13th March 2018)
  #19  
Old 13th March 2018
alfbranch's Avatar
alfbranch alfbranch is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Whitehaven Cumbria
Posts: 6,290
Thanks: 1,497
Thanked 761 Times in 722 Posts
Likes: 1,022
Liked 2,325 Times in 827 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

When you want to get more from your macro lens you can add to it

Here is my E-M1 with MMF-3, 3 tubes and a Raynoc DVR 250 and Nissin Di466 flash on a bracket with a lastolite flash cable and homemade diffuser.

I use this differently to other set ups as in I focus at 1:1 on the scale in MF and move the whole rigg around to the subject in focus when hunting small subjects.

One of the tubes failed so I bought an Olympus E-X25 extension tube which is much sturdier but unfortunately Olympus did some stupid fany electronic stuff in the E-X25 and they cannot be stacked.

Macro-rig-2 by Alf Branch, on Flickr

Here is a ruler shot from this

105-mag-test-tubes&amp;R by Alf Branch, on Flickr


Using only the E-X25 instead of the three tubes I get this

Sigma 105 EX-25 and Ranox 250 by Alf Branch, on Flickr


A shot taken with that rigg

Collembola-7 by Alf Branch, on Flickr
__________________
OMD E-M1 OMD E-M5II MMF3 12-40 pro 12-50 EZ 14-42 EZ 9-18 f4.0 -5.6 40 -150f4-f5.6 R 60mm f2.8 macro Sigma 105 f2.8 macro Holga 60mm plastic Holga pinhole lens lens and a XZ-1 Olympus - 35 SP Trip 35 Pen EEs OM2sp

I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 14th March 2018
MikeOxon MikeOxon is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: oxford
Posts: 332
Thanks: 32
Thanked 61 Times in 55 Posts
Likes: 34
Liked 117 Times in 75 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Quote:
Originally Posted by alfbranch View Post
Show us some those set ups and explain what they work best with
See http://home.btconnect.com/mike.flemming/stacking.html for some examples.

Also http://home.btconnect.com/mike.flemming/flash.htm but that is back when I used Nikon gear - I now do much the same with Olympus.
__________________
Mike
visit my Natural History Photos website:
http://home.btconnect.com/mike.flemming/
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MikeOxon For This Useful Post:
alfbranch (14th March 2018)
  #21  
Old 18th March 2018
alfbranch's Avatar
alfbranch alfbranch is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Whitehaven Cumbria
Posts: 6,290
Thanks: 1,497
Thanked 761 Times in 722 Posts
Likes: 1,022
Liked 2,325 Times in 827 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Another set up I use is this

Thisis a set up I use at times it gives up to 3X magnification about 6mm across the frame.
This is my Olympus OMD E-M5 MKII with 60mm f2.8 macro lens 3 Kooka extensions tubes 48mm in total and a Raynox DCR250 and a Nissin Di466 with homemade diffuser..
I would now use my Nissin i40 flash which I really like


Macro rigg E M5II by Alf Branch, on Flickr

A shot with it

Stopped for a snack by Alf Branch, on Flickr
__________________
OMD E-M1 OMD E-M5II MMF3 12-40 pro 12-50 EZ 14-42 EZ 9-18 f4.0 -5.6 40 -150f4-f5.6 R 60mm f2.8 macro Sigma 105 f2.8 macro Holga 60mm plastic Holga pinhole lens lens and a XZ-1 Olympus - 35 SP Trip 35 Pen EEs OM2sp

I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 18th March 2018
alfbranch's Avatar
alfbranch alfbranch is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Whitehaven Cumbria
Posts: 6,290
Thanks: 1,497
Thanked 761 Times in 722 Posts
Likes: 1,022
Liked 2,325 Times in 827 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Here are some shots of a previous set up.


This is an E-M1 and a 4/3 40-150mm zoom f3.5 to 4.5

Please note that the minimum focus distance of this lens is 1.4 meters


This set at 150mm with a Raynox DCR 250 fitted and the card shows the minumum focus distance


at 150 mm with raynox by alf.branch, on Flickr




This is the same lens at 40mm again the focus distance marked.


at 40 mm with raynox by alf.branch, on Flickr


This shot was taken at 150mm with this set up


Hover-fly by alf.branch, on Flickr


This was at 134 mm (it is a big ant)


Ant-Queen by alf.branch, on Flickr




This was at 40mm


Ant-Queen-3 by alf.branch, on Fli
__________________
OMD E-M1 OMD E-M5II MMF3 12-40 pro 12-50 EZ 14-42 EZ 9-18 f4.0 -5.6 40 -150f4-f5.6 R 60mm f2.8 macro Sigma 105 f2.8 macro Holga 60mm plastic Holga pinhole lens lens and a XZ-1 Olympus - 35 SP Trip 35 Pen EEs OM2sp

I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 18th March 2018
Harold Gough Harold Gough is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Reading UK
Posts: 4,743
Thanks: 46
Thanked 645 Times in 607 Posts
Likes: 30
Liked 2,386 Times in 1,305 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Olympus 50mm f2 macro + Raynox MSN-202, used in various combinations.

Kiron 105mm sometimes use with a Marumi Achromat +5 on the front.

Reversed HM40

Nikkor-Printing 105mm

Nikkor-Printing 150mm

Essentially, no tripod, at least two off-camera RC TTL flash, usually three.

[Edit]The links, which worked fully when posted, no longer work (host site problem) so I have deleted them[edit ends]

Harold
__________________
The body is willing but the mind is weak.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 18th March 2018
alfbranch's Avatar
alfbranch alfbranch is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Whitehaven Cumbria
Posts: 6,290
Thanks: 1,497
Thanked 761 Times in 722 Posts
Likes: 1,022
Liked 2,325 Times in 827 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harold Gough View Post
Olympus 50mm f2 macro
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/top...=2017#13876502

Used in various combinations.

Kiron 105mm *
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/top...=2017#13097146

Sometimes use with a Marumi Achromat +5 on the front.

Reversed HM40 *
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/top...=2017#13087537

Nikkor-Printing 105mm*
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/top...=2017#13097035

Nikkor-Printing 150mm*
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/top...=2017#13213668

Essentially, no tripod, at least two off-camera RC TTL flash, usually three.

* Shown with FL-50R flash. I would now use the smaller FL-36R

Harold
Sorry Harold but that lots not showing me any of your riggs having clicked on them all and is good form to just post a link to another forum.
__________________
OMD E-M1 OMD E-M5II MMF3 12-40 pro 12-50 EZ 14-42 EZ 9-18 f4.0 -5.6 40 -150f4-f5.6 R 60mm f2.8 macro Sigma 105 f2.8 macro Holga 60mm plastic Holga pinhole lens lens and a XZ-1 Olympus - 35 SP Trip 35 Pen EEs OM2sp

I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 19th March 2018
Harold Gough Harold Gough is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Reading UK
Posts: 4,743
Thanks: 46
Thanked 645 Times in 607 Posts
Likes: 30
Liked 2,386 Times in 1,305 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Quote:
Originally Posted by alfbranch View Post
Sorry Harold but that lots not showing me any of your riggs having clicked on them all
They worked yesterday here, and in the host forum. They now work in neither so I am deleting them. It is a substantial task to do it any other way.

Harold
__________________
The body is willing but the mind is weak.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 19th March 2018
alfbranch's Avatar
alfbranch alfbranch is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Whitehaven Cumbria
Posts: 6,290
Thanks: 1,497
Thanked 761 Times in 722 Posts
Likes: 1,022
Liked 2,325 Times in 827 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harold Gough View Post
They worked yesterday here, and in the host forum. They now work in neither so I am deleting them. It is a substantial task to do it any other way.

Harold
That is wierd that they no longer work in the host forum.
__________________
OMD E-M1 OMD E-M5II MMF3 12-40 pro 12-50 EZ 14-42 EZ 9-18 f4.0 -5.6 40 -150f4-f5.6 R 60mm f2.8 macro Sigma 105 f2.8 macro Holga 60mm plastic Holga pinhole lens lens and a XZ-1 Olympus - 35 SP Trip 35 Pen EEs OM2sp

I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 19th March 2018
Harold Gough Harold Gough is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Reading UK
Posts: 4,743
Thanks: 46
Thanked 645 Times in 607 Posts
Likes: 30
Liked 2,386 Times in 1,305 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Quote:
Originally Posted by alfbranch View Post
That is wierd that they no longer work in the host forum.
Something to do with being archived but that was the situation when they were working.

I'll get something together for posting here but my main repository for the images was/is the host forum.

Strangely, it can be easier to reach archived forum material via a Google search than from inside the forum. That is not a new situation.

Harold
__________________
The body is willing but the mind is weak.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 24th March 2018
Petrochemist Petrochemist is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: N Essex
Posts: 655
Thanks: 33
Thanked 72 Times in 66 Posts
Likes: 189
Liked 107 Times in 79 Posts
Re: Show us your macro rigg

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeOxon View Post
I don't have a single 'rig' - it all depends on the subject. It also depends on what is meant by 'macro'. A lot of the purists think macro only applies to 1:1
<snip>
That sounds very much like me, though none of my 'macro' primes reach 1:1 unaided.
I have at least 20 macro rigs used at one point or another. I really need to sort out a better lighting set-up for them (it'susually either available light or simple off camera flash via a TTL cable)

The adapted lens system that currently lives in my MFT camera bag is a particularly flexible option. (I'll hopefully add a photo or two later).
P1290008 by Mike Kanssen, on Flickr
P1290010 by Mike Kanssen, on Flickr
P1290009 by Mike Kanssen, on Flickr
The kit is a OM mount 28mm macro lens with an EF adapter to a MFT-EF helicoid, and with a EF reversing ring mounted on the front. I usually keep my EF focal reducer connected to the other side of the lens.

This gives quite a few combinations that are usable!. With the lens mounted right way round on the helicoid (& the focal reducer removed) it behaves as the lens would on a normal adapter, but with the ability to quickly dial in extra extension (which I recon takes it to at least 1:1). Put the focal reducer on the front (reversed and mounted on the reversing ring) and it acts like a diopter giving closer focus.
A similar arrangement to both of these options can be used with the lens reversed, which gives higher power macro reaching to a maximum around 3x.
Of course the lens can also be mounted normally on the reducer for a 20mm lens too. I've never used the lens reversed on the reducer but a quick test confirms that works too.
All of this just takes up one lens spot in my camera bag

To give some idea of the ranges reached I've checked the horizontal FOV via a ruler - quoting numbers for both end of the helicoid range when mounting via that:
Reversing the lens on the helicoid gives between 8 & 11mm across, adding the reducer brings this down to 6 to 7mm.
With the lens the right way round & at MFD, it's from 34 to 110mm, dropping to 23 to 37mm with the added reducer.
Reversed lens on reducer (no helicoid) gives 16mm across at MFD & 155mm across mounted normally on the reducer.

I only noticed a departure from plane focus on one setup, but for most real macro subjects this probably wouldn't be a problem anyway.
__________________
Mike
Compulsive photographic Dabbler.
Flickr

Last edited by Petrochemist; 24th March 2018 at 06:24 PM. Reason: adding photos
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
65-116 telescopic macro tube + 80mm macro lens mm500 For sale or wanted small ads 0 14th August 2014 10:36 AM
For sale Or Trade Olympus 35mm macro and OM 50mm Macro + Adaptors + Tubes mini0ne For sale or wanted small ads 3 23rd November 2012 01:13 PM
Macro Shots with Tamron 135mm f/2.5 + Sigma Macro Lens Barrie Norman Foto Fair 4 19th April 2009 07:41 AM
If I have the Sigma 105mm f2.8 macro lens, is the Olympus 35mm macro redundant? dkayuk Lens focus 5 15th March 2009 07:59 PM
Castle Rigg Keswick knikki Looking for improvement 9 6th May 2008 11:46 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:29 PM.


The Write Technology Ltd, 2007-2018, All rights reservedAd Management plugin by RedTyger