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Remote flash triggering (again)

Hello all, I have just joined the forum, it looks good.
Now I am sure that I have seen somewhere that you can use the kit flash guns as remote triggers BUT without the flash itself firing. This means that all the light comes from the remotes with none from the on the camera flash. I spent yesterday afternoon trying to do this and failing miserably. Even when the menu shows the on camera flash as OFF it still fires. Any answers out there?
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Re: Remote flash triggering (again)

It has to flash slightly to trigger the other flashes, assuming you are using RC mode. Should not add much to the photo though.

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Re: Remote flash triggering (again)

I have to say for me even the small amount of front lighting was too much hence i invested in cactus wireless slaves

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Re: Remote flash triggering (again)

My Metz ring flash is triggered by the on camera flash. There's a plastic clip that goes over the camera flash, that blocks visible light but not infra-red. Maybe tape an IR filter over he camera flash to achieve the same effect

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Re: Remote flash triggering (again)

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Hello all, I have just joined the forum, it looks good.
Now I am sure that I have seen somewhere that you can use the kit flash guns as remote triggers BUT without the flash itself firing. This means that all the light comes from the remotes with none from the on the camera flash. I spent yesterday afternoon trying to do this and failing miserably. Even when the menu shows the on camera flash as OFF it still fires. Any answers out there?
G'day. Yes, it will fire, but it does so just before the shutter opens (so long as it is set that way in RC mode & not set to be included in the exposure) triggering Olympus (protocol) flashes with that slight delay for when the shutter is open. It can also be used for FP TTL too. If some light is still getting onto the subject from the triggering flash, then deflecting with a white card can be effective, depending location, surrounds & ambient light.
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Re: Remote flash triggering (again)

Anyone used these, http://www.techradar.com/how-to/phot...rated-1320868?
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Re: Remote flash triggering (again)

I've been trying to get to grips with RC flash with my Metz flashes. It's not easy as Metz manuals seem to have been translated into Englsih by someone with poor English, and in any case use different terminology to Olympus and also write quite generically at times with lots of qualifcations such as "may or may not depending on your camera model".

Anyway for RC flash it seems you need the slaves in slave mode but not in servo mode. Metz servo mode is a kind of dumb slave mode which just flashes when something else flashes. Metz Slave mode (without servo also applied) reads and interprets the Olympus RC pre-flash protocol and obeys it.

There's great info about the Oly RC pre-flash protocols here: https://strobehacker.tumblr.com/post...know-about-the

The Oly manuals are a bit rubbish in this area and Busch's book isn't great. the best explanation I've found of how to set this up on your OMD is in Darrel Young's handbooks.
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Re: Remote flash triggering (again)

I have often used the clip on accessory flash to trigger my FL-600R flash units and it works very well.

There are essentially two ways to use off camera flash with the little clip on job;

1. Use it in RC mode, which is where you control all the flashes (Olympus OEM ones, that is) from the camera using the RC menu.

2. Use it as an optical trigger for any flash unit set in slave mode (or attached to an optical slave).

If you're going for method 1 it will fire, but depending on the modes of the other flashes being triggered in RC mode, it may or may not affect your image. Example, if you're in TTL mode, it should trigger the remote flashes, but then they will fire their own pre-flashes before deciding what output they need to produce, in which case the clip on flash output shouldn't affect your image.

When shooting product I only use my off camera FL-600R flashes in manual SL mode and I set the power of the clip on way down to 1/128. This usually results in that little flash being an effective optical trigger for the FL-600R units but not powerful enough to impact the shot I'm taking.

I suppose you could do the same thing in RC mode with the FL-600R units and have the ability to adjust power from the camera, but when you turn on the RC mode in the OM-D you have to toggle Info to get the SCP (which I use way more often) and I always forget to do that. I have been doing product for so long that I just know what the power settings need to be so the non-RC mode works better for me.

If all this sounds greek, I made a couple of videos about it on my YouTube channel. Here's the most recent one.

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