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Political Threads in the Lounge

It has been pointed out to me that there have been rather a lot of political threads on the forum recently and that not everyone likes to see this. In fact, many people value this site as a haven where they can escape from that sort of subject and would prefer it if political discussions were not permitted.

Against this, I have to consider that many people do enjoy engaging in this sort of debate and that the forum does have a good record of tolerance and respect for opposing viewpoints. Indeed, the whole purpose of the Lounge area is to provide a platform for non-photography related topics to be discussed.

So how do I resolve this? I don’t want to ban politics and current affairs, so long as the debates remain cordial and good-humoured, yet I don’t want people to feel that this type of thread is too intrusive and spoiling their enjoyment of the site.

The answer is probably to rely upon the goodwill of our members to exercise voluntary restraint on the number of political themed threads that they start. It’s all a question of balance and whereas some political engagement may be healthy we certainly don’t want it to dominate the Lounge area, which ideally should be enriched by a much wider range of content.

Also, it may be helpful to include a warning, indication or reference that the subject is political in the thread title – it is then easier for people who don’t welcome that sort of thread to avoid it. For example, if I was starting a thread about the ineptitude of the two main party leaders and I chose “Dumb and Dumber” as the title, I could make the title more explicit along the lines of: “Dumb and Dumber – Warning Political.” That would prevent the disappointment and irritation of someone eagerly anticipating a conversation about the merits of a classic comedy film starring Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels.

I’m sure that between us we can restore and maintain an acceptable equilibrium to the Lounge and I thank you all for your kind attention.
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

I don't have a problem with political threads. It's nice to see British politics is much the same as it was before I moved to Canada. Not that Canadian politicians are much different.

I'd much rather see political threads on here than all the buy and sell threads posted by traders out to make a buck off the members.
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

I have no problem with political threads at all, although I cannot remember starting any.

We have serious issues with politics in the UK, as most younger people just aren't interested, and so don't bother to vote. Others just vote the same way as their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles. This isn't helped by the fact that discussing certain issues, such as immigration, seems to be verboten; which may just explain the current popularity of the UKIP with some voters.

Anything that encourages political debate, and debate about politicians and their underhand tactics should be encouraged; but this must be an open and level playing field. As it is there seems to be two teams and a referee playing in red with only the goalkeepers representing any other hue.
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

Why not have an additional room - The Spit and Sawdust - where there are no padded seats and only draught beer on tap and the disaffected can whinge all night about how the world is not the same and and bankers and Marxist theory.
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

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... than all the buy and sell threads posted by traders out to make a buck off the members.
I don't recall seeing many, if any, threads posted by traders?

Or do you mean we should close the "buy and sell" section?
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Why not have an additional room - The Spit and Sawdust - where there are no padded seats and only draught beer on tap and the disaffected can whinge all night about how the world is not the same and and bankers and Marxist theory.
Now this is a Great Idea Derek

I was one, a year ago(+) who got slated for personal general views on the NHS (along with a few others here, I might add) and yet others personal NASTY views on my photography was permitted

Either we can post personal opinions - and they will not be liked by all ...

or we are Molly Coddled and live in La La land with no debates and no opinions THIS is the prime decision that must be made here.

There are many programs on TV that are not liked and people whinge about, turn it off and do not watch them.

Likewise, I like Zuikos ... - Political Warning after all, we are supposed to live in a "Free Country" on Speech and Opinions
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

I never get people who complain about these sort of things..... nobody forces them to read the 'Political' threads - reading the first post will let you know if it's political or not; the option is then there to bow out and not read it or return to it - they come here to 'escape' from that sort of thing? Get a life........
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

From one Downunder I really enjoy your UK political threads from which I gain insights into British politics, and of course the views of individual members.

As I understand it, the incumbent PM, David Cameron isn't very popular at present although to me he comes across as a likeable kind of politician.

Based on personal style (not necessarily politics) I had great admiration for Gordon Brown.

As for Tony Blair - NO COMMENT!
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

I'm not a great fan of politics, politicians or political threads, which is part of the reason I abandoned the AP Forum, which has become overly political and sometimes nasty. The atmosphere over here is much nicer.

However, each to their own, although either a bit of warning in the title as John suggests, or a separate area for "arguments" (shades of Monty Python? ) would be nice for those of us who prefer to avoid political tedium.
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From one Downunder I really enjoy your UK political threads from which I gain insights into British politics, and of course the views of individual members.

As I understand it, the incumbent PM, David Cameron isn't very popular at present although to me he comes across as a likeable kind of politician.

Based on personal style (not necessarily politics) I had great admiration for Gordon Brown.

As for Tony Blair - NO COMMENT!
Like a good manager, a good PM can never be universally popular all the time. That was Tony's problem; he wanted everyone to like him, and most of the time he thought they did. He is also an extremely plausible man, and like any good Lawyer is good at persuading people to his point of view regardless of the truth.

We happen to live in Tony's former socialist utopia, and have seen all too much of how he, and his party operate. I can even show you the lines on the pavements where the road sweepers stopped and started their work whenever he visited!
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

Thanks for all your comments, Guys, but let's keep this thread focused on the merits or otherwise of political discussions and how we can balance them within the overall format of this site, rather than steering it towards specific political points and opinions!
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Thanks for all your comments, Guys, but let's keep this thread focused on the merits or otherwise of political discussions and how we can balance them within the overall format of this site, rather than steering it towards specific political points and opinions!
Well in that case I would propose that either we add a 'political' warning to political posts (how about a 'political' option in the prefix field?), or alternatively set up an entirely separate area for political discussion. I personally believe that we should be encouraged to discuss politics openly rather than in the confines of smoky rooms, so I would much prefer the former option.

However, if our freedom to discuss politics is to have any value the referees must remain impartial, rather than coming down on comments that don't suit their own political viewpoint. If that happens the whole concept will just die, and some of us may even leave the forum altogether.
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

I love the political debate on here. I don't need a warning, but some might.
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

I've got no objection to political content in the forum as long as it's meaningful or even humorous but not the cryptic drivel I've seen of late.
Just got up my nose and others I think.
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Re: Political Threads in the Lounge

I don't mind either!

I think that those that do, feel that they are being criticised for their choice. They also don't want to be reminded that their choice wasn't such a good one after all and are disappointed, confused and angry with the way things have gone.

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