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Old 5th October 2011
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Discussion of the "For Sale" section

Zukio 7-14 mm F4. Excellent Condition. 750
Zukio 150. F2. Excellent Condition. 1350
Zukio 11-22 F2.8-3.5. Excellent Condition 550
Zukio 50-200 ED F2.8-3.5 Excellent Condition. 550
Zukio 14-54 F2.8- 3.5 Excellent condition. 375

Little used kit.

Or buy the lot with various bags, hoods filters etc for 3175.

This post seems to have re-opened an old debate and the following replies were nothing to do with the purpose of the thread, for the Opening Poster to sell some lenses. I have therefore duplicated the thread here, for those who wish to continue the debate and edited the original thread in the For Sale section so that it may serve its proper purpose.

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Re: Zukio Lenses for Sale.

Join the forum, sell your kit, disappear..........................
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Re: Zukio Lenses for Sale.

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Join the forum, sell your kit, disappear..........................
I'm happy if a newcomer comes along and offers sell me their very reasonably priced kit.

This has been argued before, but there could be someone amongst us after a lens who's grateful for the appearance of a newbie with just that item at a great price.

Not everyone wants to share their enthusiasm online perhaps?

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I'm happy if a newcomer comes along and offers sell me their very reasonably priced kit.

This has been argued before, but there could be someone amongst us after a lens who's grateful for the appearance of a newbie with just that item at a great price.

Not everyone wants to share their enthusiasm online perhaps?

With your track record, David, you're likely to buy the lot!

Now perhaps we should treat this like any other For Sale thread, reply only if we are interested in buying or ignore if we're not.
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...Now perhaps we should treat this like any other For Sale thread...
Sure, we've had this conversation before.

That does not mean the OP appears any less irritating or dodgy.
Just because the forum rules allow things we wouldn't do ourselves out of respect for our fellow forumites and general internet etiquette.
We don't have to be happy with bad manners and we shouldn't be censored for standing up against them!
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Re: Zukio Lenses for Sale.

I see opinions on how the For Sale threads should be conducted are as divided as ever! In fact, it's about the only thing on the forum that ever causes an argument or any ill feeling. Why?
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Re: Zukio Lenses for Sale.

Buggerlugs must think he has entered the twilight zone.

I've lurked here most days for a good few months having found the site by googling for Olympus kit to buy.

I have since bought stuff from here, great transaction, feedback left.

I lurk rather than actively post as I am in awe of the skill of some of the regular contributors BUT I hope by lurking I am learning.

To cut to the chase, what on earth is the problem with people posting stuff for sale be they virgin posters or seasoned forum regulars. The parochial, offensive attitudes posted on this PUBLIC forum deter people from dipping their toe in and getting involved.

Ho hum probably time to stop lurking and just delete my registration.
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Re: Zukio Lenses for Sale.

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Buggerlugs must think he has entered the twilight zone.
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Re: Zukio Lenses for Sale.

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Buggerlugs must think he has entered the twilight zone.

I've lurked here most days for a good few months having found the site by googling for Olympus kit to buy.

I have since bought stuff from here, great transaction, feedback left.

I lurk rather than actively post as I am in awe of the skill of some of the regular contributors BUT I hope by lurking I am learning.

To cut to the chase, what on earth is the problem with people posting stuff for sale be they virgin posters or seasoned forum regulars. The parochial, offensie attitudes posted on this PUBLIC forum deter people from dipping their toe in and getting involved.

Ho hum probably time to stop lurking and just delete my registration.
I think there is only this issue which seems to divide the group and I wish people would let it alone.

The group policy is it accepts for sale ads from any registered member - regardless of length of membership or number of posts - that will include those who only sign up to sell kit.

Now the system is surely self regulating, most of us would be happier buying from someone we know (even if only on-line), so a first post for-sale will lead to more caution. But that caution, and assurances, will be best met by pm's and other private conversations. At the end of the day the warning is in the header of the for-sale section 'Buyers please take maximum precautions as we can offer no protection from fraudsters.'. In other words the group acts as a noticeboard - it's upto the buyer to verify anything else (condition/veracity/price).

So Let this Rest, and let the OP sell his kit.

I lurk rather than actively post as I am in awe of the skill of some of the regular contributors BUT I hope by lurking I am learning.

Please post pictures, as a group we like pictures, you'll get a friendly response.

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Re: Zukio Lenses for Sale.

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I think there is only this issue which seems to divide the group and I wish people would let it alone.

The group policy is it accepts for sale ads from any registered member - regardless of length of membership or number of posts - that will include those who only sign up to sell kit.

Now the system is surely self regulating, most of us would be happier buying from someone we know (even if only on-line), so a first post for-sale will lead to more caution. But that caution, and assurances, will be best met by pm's and other private conversations. At the end of the day the warning is in the header of the for-sale section 'Buyers please take maximum precautions as we can offer no protection from fraudsters.'. In other words the group acts as a noticeboard - it's upto the buyer to verify anything else (condition/veracity/price).

So Let this Rest, and let the OP sell his kit.

I lurk rather than actively post as I am in awe of the skill of some of the regular contributors BUT I hope by lurking I am learning.

Please post pictures, as a group we like pictures, you'll get a friendly response.

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Re: Discussion of the "For Sale" section

I've now split the thread and copied here in The Lounge so that everyone can let out their hot air without further detracting from the original thread, which has been restored to how it should be in the For Sale section.

I'm sure that I'll have more to say myself tomorrow, but now I'm going to bed!
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Re: Zukio Lenses for Sale.

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John, to me it's not the sales or no sale argument that annoys me, it has aready been discussed as far as it possibly can be.... and always with the same outcome.

What does annoy me is the sanctimonious and extrememly rude offensive comments posted by a very small minority of the membership whenever this situation occurs. I'm sure some of the new members and indeed visitors who are possibly prospective future members are put off posting anything at all when they read posts of that sort.

As has already been pointed out, this is a public forum open to anyone to join, sell, post and purchase and if this upsets some of the Established Members, then they should do the forum a favour and keep their opinions to themselves unless they can express their thoughts in a reasonable polite manner without the type of comments seen in this thread and previous ones.

I have to fully agree with Sponner's comments and I too do more lurking and learning than posting photo's. Like Sponner, I am also wondering if I really need to continue membership when I see some of the recent posts in this thread.

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I do think we need to separate 'the sanctimonious and extrememly rude offensive remarks' from members opinions. Whilst I would not knowingly make any of these type of comments about another member,I do have an opinion as to 'new' sellers' advertising their kit on the forum,regardless as to whether I am actually buying from them or not.

For the sake of clarification I stand by my original comment posted here - it was not rude / offensive or otherwise.

I don't believe we have actually arrived at the point of 'Put up or shut up' yet,but it would appear we are not very far off.

Offensive - never,but I am all for freedom of speech + opinion,even if some of it appears unpalatable to others.
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I do think we need to separate 'the sanctimonious and extrememly rude offensive remarks' from members opinions. Whilst I would not knowingly make any of these type of comments about another member,I do have an opinion as to 'new' sellers' advertising their kit on the forum,regardless as to whether I am actually buying from them or not.

For the sake of clarification I stand by my original comment posted here - it was not rude / offensive or otherwise.

I don't believe we have actually arrived at the point of 'Put up or shut up' yet,but it would appear we are not very far off.

Offensive - never,but I am all for freedom of speech + opinion,even if some of it appears unpalatable to others.
Hi Phil, I don't think John was referring to you, he certainly didn't mention you by name unless I missed something. I have no issue with your comment, or indeed any of the comments made, the real issue is that they do not belong in another member's For Sale thread, which is why I moved all comments not connected with the sale to this new thread. I could have just deleted them but I specifically didn't want to adopt the role of censor of opinions.

In future I will enforce the "not in another member's thread" policy, but anyone will still be free to re-ignite the debate in a separate thread in The Lounge. Whether that will add anything new or constructive to a debate we have already had several times will be up to personal judgement. The present policy will remain in place unless at some point the forum owner decides to change it. Those who don't like that policy can simply avoid For Sale threads by members they do not recognise or consider to have insufficient posts on the forum.

For the record, a quick look at the info on Buggerlugs's profile page makes me think I would not wish to do business anyway, but I see no reason to be that judgemental in his For Sale thread and I just walk away. Sometimes collective silence shouts far louder than many posts of critisism, which risk envoking unwarranted sympathy for the seller and only serves to create divisions amongst ourselves.
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Re: Discussion of the "For Sale" section

Thanks Guys - I didn't suggest that any critiscm was levied at me. I was merely making my position/view clear.
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