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Re: The Peugeot Diesel Pollutant Saga

Ahhem, no. Especially with 120 roll film costing what it does.

But that is a different point entirely.
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Do you all apply the same stringent ownership cost analysis to the cameras as you say we should apply to the ownership of cars?
Pretty much so. I certainly don't buy the first one on offer and I have waited years for certain lenses to be at an acceptable price. I certainly don't update because Olympus has brought out a new model with a slightly shorter list of missing features!

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Do you all apply the same stringent ownership cost analysis to the cameras as you say we should apply to the ownership of cars?
Certainly not! A car purchase is potentially a long term Ďinvestmentí whereas at the rate that camera kit gets updated nowadays itís much more of a casual purchase with no expectation of value for money or longevity any more!
A car is an unfortunate necessity, a camera less so.
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Ahhem, no. Especially with 120 roll film costing what it does.
I last used that in one of those basic cameras (circa 1950s) with no setting and a lift-up metal-frame viewfinder.

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Certainly not! A car purchase is potentially a long term Ďinvestmentí whereas at the rate that camera kit gets updated nowadays itís much more of a casual purchase with no expectation of value for money or longevity any more!
A car is an unfortunate necessity, a camera less so.
Alternatively, we could consider that, however poor the performance and reliability, the car gets you somewhere, whereas however good a camera is, poor driving may block progress.

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I last used that in one of those basic cameras (circa 1950s) with no setting and a lift-up metal-frame viewfinder.

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You don't know what you are missing Harold.

The WLF on the RZ67 is a joy to use, even if you have forgotten to wind the film on properly.
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Re: The Peugeot Diesel Pollutant Saga

I had an RB67 for a while, a monster of a thing that weighed a tone, especially with a longish lens attached. Much too big and heavy though it could deliver the goods, but I ended my MF days with a Mamiya 6MF rangefinder kit. The 6MF was a sort of giant Leica and weighed about the same as my OM-4Ti with 35-105 lens. It had warning lights and interlocks for everything but nothing to remind you to take off the lens cap!
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I had an RB67 for a while, a monster of a thing that weighed a tone, especially with a longish lens attached. Much too big and heavy though it could deliver the goods, but I ended my MF days with a Mamiya 6MF rangefinder kit. The 6MF was a sort of giant Leica and weighed about the same as my OM-4Ti with 35-105 lens. It had warning lights and interlocks for everything but nothing to remind you to take off the lens cap!
The RZ67 is a beast I grant you, but it is a joy to use just as long as you don't have to carry it too far.

I also have a Mamiya 645 which still produces remarkable results but is much lighter to carry and is still a joy to use.

There is nothing quite like composing using a big, bright, uncluttered waist level finder with the loupe lens on top.
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Re: The Peugeot Diesel Pollutant Saga

I still have my Yashicamat 124g, but have to say its a long time since a film went through that. Alas digital is so fast and convenient...……...Instant Gratification ………...

As is my Electric car...…………...
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Back to the cars and I have been told to only top the oil up to the 3/4 mark to allow space for fuel contamination during regeneration. The oil level rises between oil changes!
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So all this fuel is ending up in the engine oil, the very same engine oil they tell us will last around 20K miles / 2years. Can’t see it helping matters somehow!
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So all this fuel is ending up in the engine oil, the very same engine oil they tell us will last around 20K miles / 2years. Canít see it helping matters somehow!
It doesn't! That is why the engine service light comes on every 4 or 5k miles (sometimes somewhat less) rather than the 20K in the book. It counts the number of regenerations and then just switches the light on.
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Never getting another damn diesel whatever the stupid government tries to foist upon us.
I don't know... my 30 year old Landy has the only engine that the British Army will have (300TDi) and whilst it's not permitted in London (no issue to me) it also has no fancy stuff (which is why the Army like it) and has to be tested against the rules of the time ..

Still quite a few old Landy's on the road because if you consider the miles I do (not a lot) it's actually more environmentally friendly not to waste the energy that went into building it by replacing..

On your related point of mini's .. our Classic mini (petrol) just had a Subframe failure it can be rebuilt... and is going to be .. not at bionic man prices either !

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Back to the cars and I have been told to only top the oil up to the 3/4 mark to allow space for fuel contamination during regeneration. The oil level rises between oil changes!
That is only partly correct. It is failed regenerations that contaminate lube oil with fuel oil. Successful regenerations should not.

JLR solved this problem with an ECU software update, but failed regeneration is still possible under certain driving conditions and will contaminate the lube oil.
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That is only partly correct. It is failed regenerations that contaminate lube oil with fuel oil. Successful regenerations should not.

JLR solved this problem with an ECU software update, but failed regeneration is still possible under certain driving conditions and will contaminate the lube oil.
I must disagree. It is the excess fuel pumped into the cylinders to be burnt in the DPF. Some of it slips past the oil rings to contaminate the sump. This happens regardless of whether the regeneration completes successfully or not but I will allow that if the DPF is not reaching temperature quickly enough (from driving conditions such as being in a 30mph area and not being able to give it some welly) then regeneration will take longer before succeeding or timing out resulting in more contamination.
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