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Old 8th July 2018
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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

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You have to be careful not to overthink this, two of the forums i use i subscribe to,i get subscribing member against my name on one and contributor on the other,after that it varies one has a chat box i can use the other allows PM ing, only small things but hey its only a few pounds a year.
I would not be interested in a have to subscribe situation, two-tier ime ok with.
Hi Mik, as I said, everyone will have differing opinions on this topic. Personally, I wouldn't pay to have anything after my name on a forum. As I do the vast majority of my interactions up front and in the open on forums, a chat box or the ability to PM other members doesn't seem like an attractive deal for me to pay for.

As you already subscribe to both these forums mentioned, and I assume for a small annual fee, receive those benefits, why would you not do the same if it was Subscription Only?

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

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Hi Mik, as I said, everyone will have differing opinions on this topic. Personally, I wouldn't pay to have anything after my name on a forum. As I do the vast majority of my interactions up front and in the open on forums, a chat box or the ability to PM other members doesn't seem like an attractive deal for me to pay for.

As you already subscribe to both these forums mentioned, and I assume for a small annual fee, receive those benefits, why would you not do the same if it was Subscription Only?

Just curious

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John

Perhaps you misunderstood the the way I put it, i wouldnt pay to get the things i mentioned i was just saying they come with being a supporter.


I would not pay in a "you must pay situation" purley because of it being that way, if i can be a forum user and at some point decide i want to support it then thats different.
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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

My 2 cents worth would be to have adverts on the site? as very site has them so would not even notice?
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I'm quite happy to pay not to have ads on the site! We are bombarded with ads and other spam 24 hours a day from everywhere and they drive me nuts.
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My 2 cents worth would be to have adverts on the site? as very site has them so would not even notice?

I use Adguard anyway, which seems to block adverts. So there is mileage in this suggestion. I wonder what the income from adverts would be...…...
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I'm with you Richard definitely worth paying not to have ads.
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I use uBlock Origin which seems to be more effective than Adblock Plus which I used to use. The latter now has a paid-for "white list" which seems contrary to its primary purpose!
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I use Adguard anyway, which seems to block adverts. So there is mileage in this suggestion. I wonder what the income from adverts would be...…...
Unless things have changed in recent years, you need a large amount of regular visitors to a site in order to make any worthwhile income from advertising. Some companies use a "pay by click" system which pays a very small amount each time someone clicks on an advert and opens it. Again, this requires a large amount of regular visitors before being viable as income.

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

I just wanted to let you know that I'm back in the Philippines at the moment because a family bereavement. I'm trying to keep an eye on things but it's less easy. I'll be back late on Wednesday.

Thank you again for the continuing fund donations. Thank-you emails will be written and sent at the end of the week.

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

Arrived back at Heathrow last night to the amazing news that we were 1-0 up against Croatia, alas it was not to be of course.

But there is always something to look forward to and I have received a Loupedeck Plus to review (mixing desk-style controller for Lightroom adjustments)

http://dpnow.com/lightroom-loupedeck-gets-plus-update/

Does anyone here use a Loupedeck?

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

I've moved the off-topic Loupedeck posts to their own thread here:

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48314

Please continue that discussion there rather than here, thanks!

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Quite remarkable; we've beaten the £1000 mark! Thank you everyone!

I have a lot of thank you emails to write

If you haven't yet contributed but are thinking about it, please don't let this great news put you off.

Once again, thank you!

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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

Congratulations and thanks to the membership for the donations. Awesome, great news. If I may make a suggestion Ian, have you considered doing a standard email thank letter to everyone who donated. I dont know how many members donated. That is none of my business, but a round robin letter could save you the task of having to write 50+ individual letters of thanks and allow you to concentrate on other matters. Positive thoughts
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Re: The reality is that the e-group needs your help

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Quite remarkable; we've beaten the £1000 mark! Thank you everyone!

I have a lot of thank you emails to write

If you haven't yet contributed but are thinking about it, please don't let this great news put you off.

Once again, thank you!

Ian

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Just goes to show what a supportive bunch we are. Great news Ian, given all the hard work you have done and continue to do keeping this site running and the substantial personal financial cost to you in doing so it is only right that 'we members' help out 👍.
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Just goes to show what a supportive bunch we are. Great news Ian, given all the hard work you have done and continue to do keeping this site running and the substantial personal financial cost to you in doing so it is only right that 'we members' help out ��.
Whilst I agree with Simon's comments to some extent and have also contributed to the funding, I feel we should not lose site of the fact The Write Technology, of which this forum is a part, is a commercial enterprise.

In my humble opinion, as it is a commercial company, the onus should be on the proprietor to develop a system that provides adequate funding as opposed to what is taking place at the moment.

Whether this takes the form of a subscription system being introduced or attracting advertisers to supply funding is of course at the sole discretion of the owner. One thing is certain, if the site is to survive and prosper as an integral part of The Write Technology, it needs to attract a lot more active members than it has at present. We all share differing views as to how this could be achieved but the sooner the site is updated and improved in an attempt to attract members, the better.

Forums generally seem to be losing popularity in favour of other types of social media sites so this may be an uphill battle. Most small forums are run simply by enthusiasts who enjoy the involvement and interaction and treat the expense involved as an extension of their hobby. Others, some of which have been mentioned in these various threads, use a subscription system which reportedly seems to work. A modest subscription system applied here may work but with the small active membership and many unwilling to subscribe, even that may struggle to provide sufficient funds.

Advertisers will only be interested once the membership has increased dramatically, providing a very much larger audience for their products or services.

Whilst the receipt of Amazon commission is of course welcome, I imagine this is only a minute proportion of the required funding. Amazon funding is once again reliant on the membership to make purchases so with a small active membership that we have at present it cannot be considered to be a viable solution.

As others have commented it is a very admirable fact that the membership has contributed in excess of £1000 but this amount would need to be more than doubled and also contributed every year to cover the £200 per month Ian has quoted as costings.

IMHO the vital and primary need is increased membership, whether achieved through advertising, discovering a niche of some description, or anything else to attract members. Voluntary contributions to a commercial company are not the answer.

Ok, tin hat on, prepared to receive the incoming flak

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