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Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

https://www.dpreview.com/news/357955..._dpr_nl_303_28

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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

Sacrilege - I hope it fails big time!
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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

Converting an old Landrover to use LPG as well is a good idea.

Making cameras bigger, not so much!
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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

Struggling to see the point when you can just mount legacy leaves on a modern body but I don’t wish them ill.
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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

The images are very soft, in which case, it is not for me.

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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

That's another issue, individuals purchasing 'legacy' lenses, starving or at least pushing up the prices, and once purchased spending their dying days on a shelf once the mirrorless user realises they can't compete with the native autofocus lens designed for the camera.

One example is the Pen F half frame. Lenses for the system are hard to come by or at best expensive due to u4/3 users in the main realising the closeness in crop factor (1.4 : 2).
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The images are very soft, in which case, it is not for me.

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This is something I've noticed in the digital photographic movement. Image quality is measured in terms of sharpness, not pictorial quality in terms of expression, soul, statement etc.
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That's another issue, individuals purchasing 'legacy' lenses, starving or at least pushing up the prices, and once purchased spending their dying days on a shelf once the mirrorless user realises they can't compete with the native autofocus lens designed for the camera.
I use mostly such lenses and find AF mostly a pain to use. Only yesterday I purchased a legacy lens.

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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

Absolutely pointless in my opinion. If you want to use an old film camera, stick a roll of film in it. No "digital back" is ever going to come close to a modern purpose built digital camera - too many compromises!
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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

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This is something I've noticed in the digital photographic movement. Image quality is measured in terms of sharpness, not pictorial quality in terms of expression, soul, statement etc.
Yes, I agree Steve.

A lot of participants in equipment forums obsess over sharpness and resolution of the lens-body and completely miss those other aspects you mention. I’d add the tactile pleasure of using top-quality manual equipment, and the personal rewards of manual focus when you nail a tricky shot.

It is quite interesting to see what does well in club competition photography, especially in PDI where these days ones mostly showing 1600 x 1200 images. Gear obsessives get brought up short when their immaculate but sterile snap is outscored by a genuinely artistic creation based on something taken by a 10-year old point-and-shoot (or even a 50% crop of a m4/3 wildlife shot). Of course this is still subjective and depends on the judge’s preferences, but there is no doubt that it’s objective enough to show that we’ve reached the plateau of the ‘technically good enough’ gear graph.
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You get a lot of this in macro forums. Too many images are shot at about f4, showing, for example, the front of the head of an insect sharply defined, leaving its body and legs much to the imagination.

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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

I remember this been touted around at the beginning of the digital age. Can't really see the point TBH.
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I remember this been touted around at the beginning of the digital age. Can't really see the point TBH.
I think it was Digifilm, a sensor sticking out of the side of a false film cassette. That had more potential than the latest one, in that it put the sensor in the focal plane.

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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

I can't see the benefit. If the ergonomics of the old SLRs were so much better then just replicate that in a DSLR or DSLM/MILC (come to think of it when did you last see a modern digital camera with seperate dials for shutter speed, aperture, film speed, and exposure compensation?). A digital back on my OM4Ti could give me focus peaking but will not give me autofocus or a zoomable eye level viewfinder.
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Re: Digitised Legacy Bodies on the Horizon?

I have one, an M240. Separate Shutter Speed, Aperture and ISO controls. Exposure compensation too, but wtf.
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