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And the general public lap this stuff up and believe every word of it!
Well I don't suppose we had much say in the matter.

Up until that time there had been gasworks in almost every town in the country; sometimes two or three, presumably employing large numbers of people. The gasworks also provided a number of vital raw materials for industry including xylene, toluene and Barytes (barium sulphate) for paint making, benzene for plastics and road fuels, coal tar, creosote, fertilizers and even salicylic acid used to make Aspirin.

However, I daresay the air in our towns was much cleaner as a result.
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Oh aye! I remember when North Sea Gas was going to be 'almost free' once the rigs and pipework had been paid for.

And nuclear power was going to provide electricity too cheap to meter!
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The local gasworks was where the doting paresnts took their kids to breath in the cleansing air if the kids had chest infections. We lived a couple of streets from the local gasworks and alongside the Smiths Crisps factory - so lots of aromas.
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The local gasworks was where the doting paresnts took their kids to breath in the cleansing air if the kids had chest infections.
That is true. Nothing like the whiff of Benzine for clearing the lungs.

Then there were coal tar and carbolic soaps.
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That is true. Nothing like the whiff of Benzine for clearing the lungs.

Then there were coal tar and carbolic soaps.
I was brought up on Wright’s Coal Tar soap (no food in them days) and used to think it strange my grandmother used Lifebouy soap and that it felt a bit luxurious compared.
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And nuclear power was going to provide electricity too cheap to meter!
I remember this foretelling on Tomorrows World in the 70's. Which bit of the cost equation did they get wrong?
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I remember this foretelling on Tomorrows World in the 70's. Which bit of the cost equation did they get wrong?
The bit where they realised they wouldn’t make huge amounts of money from it if it was so cheap.
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And nuclear power was going to provide electricity too cheap to meter!
Thinking back to the 1960's and 1970's these 'promises' may well have been well meant. Gas and electricity were still state owned and it really didn't matter whether they made a profit or not. From what I remember the CEGB was making massive losses in those days, as were the local water boards; which is why they never had any money to invest in improvements.

I think in those days the main motivation was to provide gainful employment, which was seen as an honourable thing. The profit motive didn't really came in to it in the way that it does now. If you think of the manpower that must have been involved in running gasworks, coal mines and the railways it gives some idea of how work patterns have changed, and how much they would cost to run now if big changes hadn't happened in the 1970's and 80's. .

Even the motor manufacturers were happy to make a loss on premium models because they knew it helped to sell the lower priced models to the mass market. Remember the Austin Princess range, one of which (the Vanden Plas I think) had a Rolls Royce engine? Then there was the Ford Granada, the Vauxhall Carlton and Omega, all of which were built in much smaller numbers for those at the bottom of the market to aspire to. I guess this was a case of looking at the bigger scheme of things.

Government might also have taken the view that providing cheap energy was a good thing, and that there was nothing wrong with working people being able to afford bus and train fares.

I wonder where we would be now if our gas and nuclear electricity was almost free, and if rail and bus fares were cheap?

More to the point, where did it all go wrong if it went wrong at all?
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I wonder where we would be now if our gas and nuclear electricity was almost free, and if rail and bus fares were cheap?

More to the point, where did it all go wrong if it went wrong at all?
Of course FREE just means someone else pays, or taxes are higher...….
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I had a feeling the Rolls engine in the Princess 4-litre R was originally developed for the military vehicles that Austin made during WW2 although Wiki makes no mention of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanden_Plas_Princess
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Of course FREE just means someone else pays, or taxes are higher...….
Yes indeed, but of course wages were very much lower then, so perhaps the politicians thought it was better pay men (and it was mainly men) for doing something worthwhile rather than claiming unemployment benefit for doing nothing at all?

Attitudes were so different then that it is sometimes difficult to remember how things did actually work.
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Re: The Future of Cars

I do wonder, though, about charges like bus fares. At present they are ridiculously high, mainly because each time they put up the fares less people use them and so the cycle turns.

If they charged a flat, reasonable, fare as they do in some countries, and you could go as far (on not) as you want on that bus then maybe people would start to use them again. In all fairness, that bus is going from A to B regardless of whether anyone is on it or not so keep the fairs low and get more bums on seats.

The practice of trying to solve problems by charging more and more can very often be counterproductive and result in services lost rather than gains in profits.

Just MHO of course
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