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Re: Will Brits Take Action To Fight Climate Change

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Of course, in the long term, the planet will die regardless of human activity - if any. It is just a question of time.
Fair point, but ......

The planet won't die, except in the very very very long term (unless we do something truly apocalyptically stupid and blow it to pieces). Humans, on the other hand, will collectively turn to dust much more quickly. And although we have been doing a pretty good job of wiping out other species I'm pretty sure that enough life will survive in some form to carry on pretty well without us.

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Life in the Uk has never been better by any objective measure.
My grandparents thought being tenant farmers milking cows twice a day for 365 days a year and not having mains water, sewers, electricity or gas was just how it was. Maybe if the sun was shining when they had their two hours rest on Sunday afternoon life seemed OK The rest of the time it was just continuous hard work providing just enough money to survive. And that was typical of life for most people before WW1.
Think yourself lucky to be living here now.
Thinking on, there has always been hard work in some industries, and farming in particular.

But I doubt that your grandparents would have endured the frantic pace of work that is now imposed on many people today, often watched by CCTV or tracked by GPS every minute of the day.

Think of your Amazon delivery driver, now delivering your food, who has such an impossible delivery schedule that he has to take a dump in the back of his van!

Think of call centre operatives who are wired to their desks and have to meet targets for the length of calls, number of sales made and so forth.

There was a time when all but emergency services and essential services had Sundays and bank holidays off, but that simple pleasure is long gone for many. And all for what?
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Fair point, but ......

The planet won't die, except in the very very very long term (unless we do something truly apocalyptically stupid and blow it to pieces).
Well, with Trump in the US the chances seem to have massively increased. Him and a combination of other so called world leaders certainly isn’t helping reduce those chances.
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Depends how old you are.
Remember polio ? Friends with withered legs and in iron lungs ?
Remember smog so thick that we were breathing muck ?
Remember one coal fire to heat a house ?
Remember talking about whether to whitewash house windows for when hydrogen bombs landed ?
Remember talking about how far you had to be from a hydrogen bomb explosion to live.?
Remember being beaten at school for not being able to recite a poem ?
Remember all those men ( mostly) worn out by manual labour who died in their 60s ?
I could go on and on.
Life in the Uk has never been better by any objective measure.
My grandparents thought being tenant farmers milking cows twice a day for 365 days a year and not having mains water, sewers, electricity or gas was just how it was. Maybe if the sun was shining when they had their two hours rest on Sunday afternoon life seemed OK The rest of the time it was just continuous hard work providing just enough money to survive. And that was typical of life for most people before WW1.
Think yourself lucky to be living here now.
Polio gone, but has it not been replaced with other things? HIV for example
Smog gone but environmentalists would have you believe city air is deadly, hence London’s low emission zones etc
1 coal fire? All the rage now, albeit burning a wood form of carbon.
Hydrogen bomb probably a better way to go than a terrorist attack.
Beaten at school? Zero discipline now, gone far too far the other way, bring back the cane.
Instead of manual labour we’ve now got people dying of obesity related issues, I’d prefer the manual labour thanks.

So, I think in general, I stand by my comments.
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Re: Will Brits Take Action To Fight Climate Change

Rather than asking the public to change their diets, in the first instance we should tackle the abhorrent amount of corporate food waste; nearly all of which is avoidable.

For example, there is no reason why most perishable foods cannot be frozen on their 'use by' date and then either sold at a discount, given to food banks, the needy or charity.

Abandoning the senseless mantra of year-on-year growth would also help the environment whilst improving the quality of life for the majority of the workforce. That way there would be less need for big business to bleed consumers dry at every possible opportunity.
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Agreed, but there is massive frustration caused by the impregnability of big business and the incompetence of successive governments.

Being expected to wait two hours to speak to a human being who barely understands your language is just one such example.
Sorry for late reply.
First world problems are annoying but hardly critical to life.
Don't you remember life here before phones were not in most peoples' homes ?
There was no problem waiting for someone in India to tell you how to make your technology work.
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Nope, sorry, I can't remember any of those, in fact I can't remember life before WW2 let alone WW1.


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It was how life was after WW2.
Try reading some recent history.
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Sorry for late reply.
First world problems are annoying but hardly critical to life.
Don't you remember life here before phones were not in most peoples' homes ?
It is critical for life when the people you are trying to contact have your bank details and are emptying your bank account to pay for something that you didn't ask for and have no way of telling them you don't want.

Phoning is futile: they keep you on hold for hours and charge 25 pence per minute to listen to piped music with regular announcements telling you to visit the website. Letters and faxes go unanswered whilst emails bounce back.

Cancelling the direct debit is easy enough but you then receive a notice of intended legal proceedings to recover the outstanding amount. So you try to contact them again ...........
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It was how life was after WW2.
Try reading some recent history.
I can certainly remember most of your list, having grown up in the 1950s and I don't miss most of them! I can also remember personal service in shops, being able to travel by road without sitting in jams for hours, by rail in carriages with comfortable seats next to windows you could see out of, and being able to play outside with my friends in relative safety and freedom so I learned a few life skills, being able to fix my own car when it went wrong, and having to have an arrangement with my bank to withdraw cash over the counter when I went to uni.

The problem is we cannot see into the future. Remember there were people around at the turn of the 20th century predicting that London would be so many feet deep in horse dung in the future if something wasn't done about the rising number of horses in the city!


That said our present lifestyle is obviously unsustainable. However I don't appreciate being told that by people who have more than two kids, drive Range Rovers etc. etc! Almost all our problems today are caused mostly by overpopulation. That is still a taboo subject with many people, but it is an inconvenient truth.
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Re: Will Brits Take Action To Fight Climate Change

Anyway, problem is solved......or a solution has been found.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48069663

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All of that is treating the symptom and not the cause, like sticking a plaster on a weeping sore.
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All of that is treating the symptom and not the cause, like sticking a plaster on a weeping sore.
Agreed, but it might help a bit...……..
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Agreed, but it might help a bit...……..

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Anyway, problem is solved......or a solution has been found.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48069663

What could possibly go wrong?
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All of that is treating the symptom and not the cause, like sticking a plaster on a weeping sore.
Indeed. And the whole idea that we can easily capture carbon and spray snow onto the polar ice caps leads the masses to believe that we can just carry on as normal.
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