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Old 13th May 2019
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Re: Do we actually need HS2?

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Of course we need to spend billions on Victorian technology so that we can get to London 20 minutes quicker paying vast fares and destroying more countryside building it.It will keep the tory party going for decades.
Should have been Maglevs adjacent to the motorways, that as far as I know speed wise are virtually future proof, admitted the cost would be about 100 times greater than trains balancing on rails but it would show the world engineering at its best (if we have any left in the uk these days) Thanks Maggie for cutting apprentice school grants, can you imagine the Germans ever doing that!
Just to complete my rant 2 people largely contributed to the transport demise and nanny state we are in now, dr beeching for his cuts in rail,and jimmy Saville with his clunk click campaign, seats belts,crash helmets yes, compulsion no.the start of big brother as far as I am concerned.
The remnants of the Maglev testing track can still just about be found in the Fens of Cambridgeshire. Went looking for them myself, found a few bits, but not much left to see.
The train itself can be spotted just across from Peterborough station, interesting idea, but impractical.
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Re: Do we actually need HS2?

Hmmm. Wasn't HS2 announced by the outgoing Labour government in 2009-2010?

Dr Beeching was not responsible for the rail cuts. Beeching was Ernest Marples 'fall guy', hired to do Marples dirty work. Marples made his fortune from road building, including the then new M1 and M6 motorways, so he wouldn't want to be seen closing railways in favour of building new roads. He died abroad as a tax exile.

Harold Wilson promised to reverse the rail cuts if elected in the 1964 General Election. He was elected but failed to keep his manifesto promise, (what's new?), although to be fair he did save one line passing through three key Labour marginal constituencies in the Welsh borders. In fact more lines were closed under Barbara Castle than under the Tories.

It should also be said that lines were being closed before WWII, and many more closed in the late 1940's and 1950's for both economic and geological reasons.

We all know what an odious character Saville was, but to blame him for seat belt law and the 'nanny state' is frankly misguided. He was simply a paid performer.

The seat belt law may not be universally popular but it has probably saved more lives than any other single piece of road safety legislation. Some laws exist for the common good and the seat belt law is one of them.

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Re: Do we actually need HS2?

And the current seat belt configuration was donated to the world courtesy of the developing company without any licence fee required.
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