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Looking for improvement This is the e-group critique board. If you post a picture here it will be assumed that you are looking for comprehensive technical feedback - both good and bad, but always respectful. Only post pictures here if you can deal with potentially negative constructive criticism. Anyone is qualified to comment and post feedback, and everyone is encouraged to do so. NB: "Looking for Improvement" is the place to post any pictures you would like advice on improving, no matter how bad you might think they are.

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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

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The only way HC-B would crop was taking a pair of scissors diagonally across the negative. In other words he believed cropping should be done with the feet.
Photographers of yore were a pretty prescriptive bunch. I do not know if H C-B was describing his methodology or giving an instruction, either way why would any photographer want to work according to someone else’s rigid rules? Most of us have neither the time nor talent to achieve the high standards of H C-B so inevitably do not get composition right the first time.

I find myself cropping more than previously, mainly to get my chosen subject more prominent in the frame. Taking a lot of street portraits, I often crop to a square format and recently find that cropping to a 5:4 ratio gives a somewhat more dynamic image than 4:3.

In his wonderful book, ‘Pictures on a Page’, former Sunday Times editor, Harold Evans demonstrates how cropping can radically alter the message and meaning of a photograph. Evans and Cartier-Bresson have diametrically opposing views on cropping it’s up to us as individuals to filter the messages and decide what is best for our photographic practice and preference.

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No after you, dear boy It would be interesting to hear your own critique.
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(I'm guessing you liked the colour of the sky.)
Yes, I like the sky colour, there was a lot of under exposure going on there.

However, that top right corner.. Hmm. I don't know. Also (unavoidably) the signature tree goes off the edge of frame

Also - the stonework lighting. Should it be there, or not?

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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

My groat's worth (as its not even worth tuppence).

Hovercraft - yes its a "record" shot but we all take these. All it needs is a serious crop to concentrate on the hovercraft and a bit of contrast in pp. In cases like this you take the shot you did and work out later what to do with it.

Down the farm - can't really call it "wheelbarrow and ivy" as the ivy is in short supply. Will work well in a tryptych of similar items I think otherwise there is no connection with a farm. By cropping you loose any idea of what it is.

Oi Yez - isn't it "Oyez"? Perhaps if you had shouted at the town crier you mighty have got him to look up.

Church In Snow - I like this. Just a bit of tweaking in pp to give it some more pop and it will be great.

Salisbury Cloisters at Dusk - too dusky for me.
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No after you, dear boy It would be interesting to hear your own critique.
What a cop out he wants our opinion
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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

He he..

I think there is some value in this sort of analysis (if you can take criticism of your favourite picture..) because other folks see different things.

OK, I have a fixation about the edges of pictures, I don't like too much stuff being half out of frame.

I also hate power cables and pylons (they are actually called transmission towers apparently).

I do like my pictures to have some black in them somewhere.

Also I have a bit of a fixation with wide angle shots, and shallow DoF.

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The only way HC-B would crop was taking a pair of scissors diagonally across the negative. In other words he believed cropping should be done with the feet.
Well thats just rubbish isnt it and I will not following such a stupid rule myself. What did he have to say on stitching images together and how well did he do at landscape and macro photography? BTW decisive moments can be set up you know and without a zoom lens on his chosen kit he had to move to get the composition he wanted but the you always do to get the angle you want.
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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

Here's another example to have a go at.

What's right and wrong with this one :-) I can take it.

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Re: What's wrong with these pictures?

I like that Pete
I know people who get fussed about the vertical on the wall I am fine with it.
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Well thats just rubbish isnt it and I will not following such a stupid rule myself. What did he have to say on stitching images together and how well did he do at landscape and macro photography? BTW decisive moments can be set up you know and without a zoom lens on his chosen kit he had to move to get the composition he wanted but the you always do to get the angle you want.
You have heard of Henri Cartier-Bresson, good. What about reading his many published books? Assuming you have read (well at least looked at the images) you will know he wasn’t much into landscapes, and certainly not macro.

As James Blunt said, ‘Opinions are like ars€holes, everyone has one’.
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Here's another example to have a go at.

What's right and wrong with this one :-) I can take it.

Yeah, I like this one. Is there anything wrong? I don’t think so.
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You have heard of Henri Cartier-Bresson, good. What about reading his many published books? Assuming you have read (well at least looked at the images) you will know he wasn’t much into landscapes, and certainly not macro.
I certainly recall that HCB was the definitive people/street photographer (decisive moment?) - a bit like Ansel Adam did landscape but not people. They are both regarded as experts in their field and by extension they are above criticism :-)

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Yeah, I like this one. Is there anything wrong? I don’t think so.
I was attracted by the incongruity of it all, and I had to stand in the road at Presteigne to get the picture. However, in the end it seems a bit short on impact.

Maybe if I converted it to monochrome with the exception of the pump, and applied a bit of colour pop to that???


Oh, and I should have waited ten minutes for the railings to be fully in shadow. All these little things matter...
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You have heard of Henri Cartier-Bresson, good. What about reading his many published books? Assuming you have read (well at least looked at the images) you will know he wasn’t much into landscapes, and certainly not macro.

As James Blunt said, ‘Opinions are like ars€holes, everyone has one’.
That is obviously James Blunts opinion and his way of dismissing the opinions of others that he does not like.

The other guy does not interest me much and so I have not read what the frenchman said though remember some people say one thing and do another.
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The frenchman was not above creating a decisive moment.
Ansel Adamas may be criticised for too much PP nowadays. I have read his books and love his work.
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Oh, and I should have waited ten minutes for the railings to be fully in shadow. All these little things matter...
Did you have the ten minutes and is this thought with 20/20 hindsight?
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