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My apologies for not being able to embed this image to the forum for viewing. I am visiting London, but I am on my phone and the app for Flickr is a bit limited.

I took the photo on 29 December of the Starling whilst I was on safari in the Kenyan bush in Laikipia. I used the 14-150mm Zuiko lens. I think I should have used a more powerful lens to capture better details? I have the 75-300 mark 2, should I go a step up from this?

What would you advise? Thank you for looking

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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

As the next step up is not cheap i would see how far you can get with your 70-300, after that my choice would be the 100-400
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As the next step up is not cheap i would see how far you can get with your 70-300, after that my choice would be the 100-400
Thank you for your help. 4 Ibis in a tree half a mile away had poor definition using the 70-300. Even cropping did not improve the image. One would hope the 100-400 would be up to the task.

Would I need an adapter to make the 100-400 fit onto the EM1 mark 1? Mmmm not cheap.
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Thank you for your help. 4 Ibis in a tree half a mile away had poor definition using the 70-300. Even cropping did not improve the image. One would hope the 100-400 would be up to the task.

Would I need an adapter to make the 100-400 fit onto the EM1 mark 1? Mmmm not cheap.
You Wouldnt need an adapter and yes they are not cheap but cheaper than the Oly 300mm and 1.4.
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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

The 75-300mm is good (but not excellent). Just keep it below 270mm for best results.
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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

I embedded it for you to help - hope that's OK

BTW - lovely looking bird.

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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

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Thank you for your help. 4 Ibis in a tree half a mile away had poor definition using the 70-300. Even cropping did not improve the image. One would hope the 100-400 would be up to the task.

Would I need an adapter to make the 100-400 fit onto the EM1 mark 1? Mmmm not cheap.
Hi Phil,

The 100-400 inevitably has more pull than the 75-100mm

But at the end of the day, I find that you still need to get close in to have a good image, kinda depends on the size of the beast of course.

For smallish to medium size birds, sparrow to duck,,, if you more that 20-25 yards, you are not going to get a superbly detailed shot, even if everything else is perfect...Light, stability, subjects movements etc.

As for elephant size, you may e a better judge.....

The 75-300 in FF terms goes up to 600mm. Twenty years ago we were pleased with a FF 200mm...........its not a bad lens at all.

I am very pleased with my Pany100-400mm, kind of depends on how much you want to spend.

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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

Seems to be a degree of confusion which lens is being discussed here, maybe due to typing errors. So far we have the 70-300, the 75-300 and a 75-100

The 70-300 and 75-300 are 2 very different lenses in fitting, quality and speed of focus. Not sure about the 75-100

I think Phil has the 75-300 m4/3

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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

Nice image. Nice bird, and those thorns look viscious! Shows you don't have to have the most expensive kit to get a decent image. But it's human nature to always want something even better.

Not sure any kit is going to get you great images of an ibis half a mile away though, however much you spend and however much weight you end up carrying. Stalking so you can get closer is a valuable skill in wildlife photography.
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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

I find it rather strange that the birds head and shoulder seem to be in sunlight and showing detail yet the body appears dark as though it's in shade. The branches and thorns seem to be in sunlight and there is no apparent reason why the body would be shaded.

Is this maybe a problem of exposure or some other camera setting and not a problem with choice of lens at all ?

Maybe someone with greater technical knowledge than myself could comment ?

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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

I think the sun is high in the sky and behind the photographer. Hard to light the underside of the bird's body. I'm guessing it was too far away for fill-in flash. Maybe something would be possible in post processing to add extra brightness or extra exposure to the underside of the bird's body depending on software available and also depending on whether you believe in that sort of thing for wildlife photography.
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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

Agree with Rob, its the angle of sun. Very bright sun has shadowed out the underbody. (New verb!!)

If a RAW file is available, the contrast and shadows might be able to tweak out more detail...

We moan of not enough sun, but I guess in Africa, the opposite is true.....

Re lens "Power", the bigger the subject in the viewfinder, generally the better quality you gonna get. But many other factors also come in to play as said before...
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Re: Greater Blue Eared Starling

That shot looks fairly sharp, judging by the eye; so I would be inclined to play with the curves, to see if bringing up the dark end would improve it. The contrast is very high.

So far as lens power is concerned, going too powerful makes grabbing shots of BIF difficult, so it depends what you want out of the lens. I found the 75-300 plenty powerful enough as an all purpose telephoto, its only downside being the small stop at the long end making good light necessary. Even then, for tracking very fast moving jet aircraft, it was a bit too powerful at full stretch. If you lose the target, you can't find it again, without shortening the zoom. The best bet is to try some lenses of differing powers, and see which suits you best. You can always crop a bit more if it isn't quite powerful enough to fill the frame, but when it's too powerful, if you tend to lose the shot, it's not a lot of good to you - and it's not just finding the target again, the lens also has to refocus, don't forget. As people have said, find ways f getting closer if you want better results, and develop patience, such as sitting still, maybe in a hide, for the time necessary for the bird to get close enough to you. That way, you'll get better results than with a more powerful lens.
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Good morning, my apologies for my very late reply. My access to the site on a new laptop was not letting me in and that has only been rectified this week with the 'forgotten password' facility.

A visitor came to the house 2 days ago and by coincidence he has the same camera as mine, the EM1 Mark 1 and all the lenses. He also has the 100-400 and he allowed me to hold it. He is a wild life enthusiast and swears by it. In fact he is currently in the Massai Mara on safari. He takes excellent photos and seeing them has given me a great deal of encouragement.

I will press on with the 75-300 mm 1:4.8-6.7 mark 2 ED MSC I have much to learn about the camera.
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That shot looks fairly sharp, judging by the eye; so I would be inclined to play with the curves, to see if bringing up the dark end would improve it. The contrast is very high.

So far as lens power is concerned, going too powerful makes grabbing shots of BIF difficult, so it depends what you want out of the lens. I found the 75-300 plenty powerful enough as an all purpose telephoto, its only downside being the small stop at the long end making good light necessary. Even then, for tracking very fast moving jet aircraft, it was a bit too powerful at full stretch. If you lose the target, you can't find it again, without shortening the zoom. The best bet is to try some lenses of differing powers, and see which suits you best. You can always crop a bit more if it isn't quite powerful enough to fill the frame, but when it's too powerful, if you tend to lose the shot, it's not a lot of good to you - and it's not just finding the target again, the lens also has to refocus, don't forget. As people have said, find ways f getting closer if you want better results, and develop patience, such as sitting still, maybe in a hide, for the time necessary for the bird to get close enough to you. That way, you'll get better results than with a more powerful lens.
Thank you, I did try playing with the curves but it created too many problems with some of the pixels looking blown out. I will use this technique for other photos. Thank you for suggesting it. I was quite a long way from where I took the shot. I like the idea of sitting there, waiting and being patient.

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Here is another photo of the beautiful Starling, a different location in Kenya. a Greater Blue Eared Starling by philip Gate Keeper, on Flickr
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