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I am rather stagnant in my composition as well as camera controls. Being only a holiday photographer, I see myself not going forward. Maybe it's just knowing too much or just lazy. So, SHOOT me.

Should I crop the dull sky? Clone away that duck head?


This was shot a few days later..


Or composition just
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Re: Suggestions for improvements

The dull grey flat sky and lighting has come out as ... a dull, flat, and gey picture; and I do this as well as the next person. In hindsight for the first one I would choose to highlight spot meter on the swans (OM4Ti) or just post process as a high key image in digital. My aim would be to highlight the sparkle on the water, deepen the contrast around the spire, bring out the green of the grass, and make the most of the reflection of the trees. Oh, and crop/clone the odd bit as you can not compose on the spot to avoid the odd moving swan.

The second shot shows that there is nothing wrong in the composition and it is just the light you were given at the time. The blue of the water is its strongest feature. Bring out the sparkle and colour in the water and as in the first one look at the grass and spire. Straighten the shot and crop top and bottom slightly to aid focus on the middle.

I had no more than 5 minutes play in OV3 and got this:




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Re: Suggestions for improvements

I always think the 16:9 format is good for "views".

The first shot I would try and apply that format, reducing the sky and foreground. Then perk it up a bit with clarity and vibrance.

But you won't know until you try it................
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Re: Suggestions for improvements

Number 2 has potential with PP. Number 1 is way too cluttered though and the lighting is all wrong. It's a nice scene though so my recommendation would be to go back and re-shoot it. Really, I'd just delete the image!

As to number 2... here's my thoughts:

- Crop the bottom 25% of the image. This will put the horizon at about the "thirds" positon and will lose the birds. They distract rather than add IMHO.

- Lift the shadows

- Warm the WB a little - it's too blue

- Add a bit of post-crop vignetting

I'll try to do it later when I've got time to show what I mean.
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Re: Suggestions for improvements

Were you capturing the water or the sky? For me both shots would be significantly improved by applying the (dreaded) rule of thirds.

Tilting down on the first shot to put the horizon at 1/3rd down would have reduced the sky and given you more of the waterfoul, the edge of the bank would also have added a little framing on the right.
The second shot - either a tilt down to get both birds in or a tilt up to remove them putting the horizon at 1/3rd or 2/3rds would have helped.

Both shots would benefit from something in the foreground and if possible not having the birds crossing the edge of the frame - I appreciate that getting swans to co-operate isn't easy

In both cases I think they suffer from the problem that a nice view doesn't necessarily make a great picture. I've taken that kind of landscapey shot far too often too. Getting something in the foreground isn't always easy but it does make a big difference.

On a positive note - both images are sharp and the horizon is level which is one of my pet peeves (especially in my own pictures)!
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Re: Suggestions for improvements

Here's my edit of photo 2:

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Re: Suggestions for improvements

All very good suggestions and I really should have lowered the camera to get a better view.

And rule of the thirds. please, me AMc
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Re: Suggestions for improvements

You already know the best solution, Henry - come back and have another go

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Re: Suggestions for improvements

Having had a quick look at your Flickr I would say stopp being so hard on yourself for these.

The key to great scenery photos is composition and light and there are times when travelling (with others especially) that time is tight and all you can cpature are memories.

If you travel for two weeks to some amazing places unless time is set aside at the best locations at the right time of day on the best days of the year worl class shots may not happen.

Some one once said do not crop your shots but that is stupid so for instance a crop like Paul's helps. I often shoot with the expectation I will crop.
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Re: Suggestions for improvements

You could put a light sky blue to transparent overlay on the bleached sky. I often do this with that sort of shot and it suddenly gives the hint of a sunny day rather than an overcast one. However in this case I would return and get the sun on your side :-)


PS. Almost looks like Abingdon.
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Bikie John, snaarman & alfbranch.. It's a 15hr flight to UK. and I had to exchange one of my concubines to subsidize the trip...Now unless I can get someone to adopt all my other concubines and mistresses, it may not happen so soon..but then If I I give up all my mistresses and concubines, when then would I use

Can I stick a USB port to my head and download them images

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You could put a light sky blue to transparent overlay on the bleached sky.
Was thinking of that but then won't I need to add a tat of blue to the water

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Some one once said do not crop your shots but that is stupid so for instance a crop like Paul's helps. I often shoot with the expectation I will crop.
Oh I do crop and I do slight tweaks. But am not that good at it.

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Oh, I wish I had the head USB socket. I wish I could print all those fantastic pictures I have seen but didn't photograph...
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Oh, I wish I had the head USB socket. I wish I could print all those fantastic pictures I have seen but didn't photograph...
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