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Is there any point in shooting film?

I've still got an OM-1 and a few lenses (24, 50, 135) and decided recently to run a few rolls of HP5 through it. I picked up a Patterson tank and a neg scanner cheaply off eBay and did my first film developing in maybe 35 years (my latter days of film were colour and I always used a lab).

The scanned files have a certain "look" to them for sure, BUT:

- It's nothing I couldn't simulate with PP from OM-D files
- The resolution and noise are far worse than even ISO 6400 on my E-M1
- The developing and scanning process is long winded
- Films run out after 36 shots!

Now, I love the feel of the OM-1 and I like the camera's usability (that viewfinder view is to die for!), but as a photographic tool I just can't see how film is anything but a far inferior medium.

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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

I still have two rolls of Fuji Slide film (Process Paid) to use with my OM4Ti.

I kept it for the "Nostalgic" competitions at the club, but now that has gone there seems little reason to keep it, other than the sheer joy it is to use.

It has Multi-Spot Metering that I've been banging on about for years, which can be used to bias the exposure to the range of the film being used as well as getting lighting ratios between light and dark "spot on".

The great thing about film is that it is accepted for what it is, and nobody ever questions; if the colour of the light from the projector bulb is "off", the edge/corners are softer than the centre, verticals are converging, etc., etc., etc...

I did shoot a colour test chart, with film, a few years ago as a comparison to digital, but they cannot be compared as the differing levels of brightness from the projectors makes it incomparable.

Most of my shoots were 3 rolls and surprisingly most of my shoots now are 100 ish images, so my way of working has hardly changed at all.

I could never go back to wet printing, as that was far to complex in comparison to what we do now. There was some deep satisfaction in seeing a picture develop in the tray and the expectant waiting for the postman to deliver the slides.

Think I'll write a "Plug-In" for Photoshop that slowly reveals the image from RAW files.
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

I used to be very happy with my Kodachrome 2 transparencies on a Konica SLR, but looking at them now they are not a patch on my old E500, let alone my E3 or E5.

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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

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Is there any point in shooting film?
Hmm, that is an interesting question, to which I would say there are two answers.

But first I would ask; why do we shoot film?

For me there is a certain joy about using film cameras and the 'routine' of feeding them with film that no digital camera can ever match.

The viewfinder of an OM4Ti is so clear, bright and uncluttered that I can concentrate 100% on the subject rather than the myriad of statuses and settings that the camera's computer wants me to know about. Fast prime lenses snap in to and out of focus so effortlessly, and unlike the viewfinder on my OM-D there is absolutely no lag!

However, shortly after buying an E1 for my 'day job' in 2004 I decided to take advantage of falling prices to buy a medium format outfit that I had always dreamt of: a Mamiya 645 Pro TL with numerous lenses and accessories. Since then I have also bought an RZ 67 II, which I regard as almost the ultimate photographic tool (short of a 5 x 4 plate camera).

This for me is real photography. I love the quality and solidity of medium format; the sheer size of the negatives; and most of all, using the vast, uncluttered, waist level finders.

There is also the joy of home processing. For me the satisfaction of taking a roll of medium format Velvia out of the tank and holding it up to the light for the first time is almost beyond (photographic) compare!

But we need to be logical about this, as at the end of the day the most important factor is the quality of the final image. This is why I said that there were two answers.

I use my OM4Ti primarily for the pleasure of using the equipment, but I accept that, unless I am using Pan F or FP4 Black and White film the final image quality will probably be inferior to that of my OM-D.

However, medium format is a completely different matter, as the sheer size of the image on the film is such that it can yield fine detail that simply isn't possible with most digital cameras (unless we include MF Hasselblads). The image below, for example, was shot on my Mamiya 645 using Velvia 50, and was scanned to about 56 MP at 4,000 DPI. At full resolution I can literally count the bricks in the Baltic building!






We can also choose the colour signature of film by using (say) Velvia, Provia, Portra and so forth. And then there is Pan F, FP4 and Tri-X Black and White roll films, with their wonderful tonal gradation and detail.

However, I have an admission to make. For as much as I enjoy using the waist level finder I have never really trusted myself with an exposure meter (not with Velvia anyway), so I usually cheat by slipping the AE finder onto the camera to set the exposure. But I am working on it!

Finally, for anyone who is seriously interested in analogue photography I would suggest having a look at John Davie's website, which provides a wealth of information on the subject.
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

You should look at how you are scanning the negs as this could make a huge difference.

Film sales are now on the up too btw.

In answer to the original question it is a different way taking photos that is as relevant as it ever was but you choose how you wish to work.

I need to get out with a film camera again soon I think.
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You should look at how you are scanning the negs as this could make a huge difference.

Film sales are now on the up too btw.

In answer to the original question it is a different way taking photos that is as relevant as it ever was but you choose how you wish to work.

I need to get out with a film camera again soon I think.
Well it is autumn, so what better time to get out with any camera?
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

Much as I love my OM4Ti I find that I am now not able to get the focus as sharp as I would want for every shot and that is important when limited to a 36 roll film. I shoot digital because of the auto focus and manual zoom focus (E-M5 Mk1).
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

I should add that using and understanding film is an essential part of most current photography degree courses. I went to an open day at Sunderland Uni before our son applied to go there, and they had a suite of enlargers and darkrooms to die for.

Who needs Lightroom?

If only Cibachrome was still available.
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

Wasn't there a similar argument about vinyl LPs and CDs?
Personal preferences.
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

It's much cheaper and more controllable to use either DXO Filmpack 5 or Alien Skin Exposure two very spectacular Photoshop Plugins.

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