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Just what I was thinking.

One from Cheshire in the 80's. A Holly Blue on Holly.

Another slide copy rather than a scan.
Yes, we have holly in our garden but I have only once seen a Holly Blue on it and I didn't get a shot.

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Yes, we have holly in our garden but I have only once seen a Holly Blue on it and I didn't get a shot.

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My parents had a lot of Holly and some Ivy in their garden and used to get both generations. The Holly trees attracted Redwings and Fieldfares in the winter.
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The first one seems like the prelude to egg-laying.

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I took that shot and backed off for a few minutes so not to disturb her. I have a large bank of Ivy along the bottom of the garden.

I find Holly Blue to be quite numerous and easy to see as they are the most mobile and flighty of the blues. The tricky part is finding one that has settled, and is then willing to pose . Once you are familiar with the way they flutter quite directly along the top of hedgerows and up the sides of trees and shrubs in gardens and cemeteries -- with their smaller size and unwillingness to settle -- you'll notice them everywhere.

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you'll notice them everywhere.
I wish. I am fully alerted to the presence of butterflies and only see the occasional one of these.

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I wish. I am fully alerted to the presence of butterflies and only see the occasional one of these.

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Not in large numbers i agree, but they are less habitat specific in that they wonder and cover large distances, unlike the other blues. They can crop up anywhere. Someone mentions upthread they only ever saw one - when sat in my Mother's garden (which has no holly or ivy in the vicinity) on a warm sunny day i would expect to see 2-4 of them in a couple hours but i'm identifying them at a distance, which is quite easy with HBlues. I'm just suggesting there are more of them about than many may realise.

In the general area i cover - North Notts and parts of Lincolnshire they seem to be doing ok in comparison with the common blue.

Another species that's difficult to approach, the Brimstone

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Another species that's difficult to approach, the Brimstone
On the other hand, they settle much more readily than the Holly Blue.

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Not in large numbers i agree, but they are less habitat specific in that they wonder and cover large distances, unlike the other blues. They can crop up anywhere. Someone mentions upthread they only ever saw one - when sat in my Mother's garden (which has no holly or ivy in the vicinity) on a warm sunny day i would expect to see 2-4 of them in a couple hours but i'm identifying them at a distance, which is quite easy with HBlues. I'm just suggesting there are more of them about than many may realise.

In the general area i cover - North Notts and parts of Lincolnshire they seem to be doing ok in comparison with the common blue.
Pete you are correct. It is one of the more successful species.

If you have a look at the State of UK butterflies report the Holly Blue has grown in numbers of sites and abundance by 39% and 37% respectively between 1976 and 2015. By contrast the common Blue has declined by 17%.

Also it has spread further northwards as a result of global warming.

This is from good and significant data, rather than individual sightings in gardens.
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Pete you are correct. It is one of the more successful species.

If you have a look at the State of UK butterflies report the Holly Blue has grown in numbers of sites and abundance by 39% and 37% respectively between 1976 and 2015. By contrast the common Blue has declined by 17%.

Also it has spread further northwards as a result of global warming.

This is from good and significant data, rather than individual sightings in gardens.
Good to hear it's not all bad news.

I am surprised the common blue fall is only 17%, i would have guesstimated more by what i see here in the NE Mids. I used to count butterflies with my best mate when we were kids, his father was a writer and recorder for various organisations and magazines so we'd survey local reserves, particularly what is now known as the Idle Valley Reserve near Retford. It's a large area and we'd count Common Blues up to and often over 1000, and a day record was 18 different species. After returning to the area a few years ago things are very different, the same circuit may yield a dozen butterflies from 3 or 4 species, i have no idea what is going wrong there.
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Good to hear it's not all bad news.

I am surprised the common blue fall is only 17%, i would have guesstimated more by what i see here in the NE Mids. I used to count butterflies with my best mate when we were kids, his father was a writer and recorder for various organisations and magazines so we'd survey local reserves, particularly what is now known as the Idle Valley Reserve near Retford. It's a large area and we'd count Common Blues up to and often over 1000, and a day record was 18 different species. After returning to the area a few years ago things are very different, the same circuit may yield a dozen butterflies from 3 or 4 species, i have no idea what is going wrong there.
I see your point.

Not sure when you were young. For me it was before the data gathering of butterflies was widespread or systematic. And by 1976 (when I was 19) numbers had already declined and was part of why Butterfly Conservation bodies were set up. So the declines for many of us have been huge and not linear. Also the years of 1975 and 1976 were scorching hot years and there were record numbers of some butterflies. And there have been other boom years. So the ups and downs are huge. Maybe that is part of it.

I was merely quoting the views of Butterfly Conservation. I too prefer my own memory and that of other people who have spent their lives looking at butterflies. We all know the loss is huge, devastating and not being dealt with. Like you I have memories of huge abundance which is now gone.

I remember when my interest in butterflies really started, I was about 8 and went to Kent on holiday just as the marbled whites hatched in thousands at our camp site. It was a butterfly we had never seen before and it was like another world. Up until then I had been happy with the butterflies in the garden and had reared tortoishells and peacocks in huge netting cages, with my dads help. This was Heaven and my life changed.

I know they say statistics don't lie but perhaps they have not helped here. My apologies for the earlier lapse I will not share any more BC data. Just pictures.
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I see your point.

Not sure when you were young. For me it was before the data gathering of butterflies was widespread or systematic. And by 1976 (when I was 19) numbers had already declined and was part of why Butterfly Conservation bodies were set up. So the declines for many of us have been huge and not linear. Also the years of 1975 and 1976 were scorching hot years and there were record numbers of some butterflies. And there have been other boom years. So the ups and downs are huge. Maybe that is part of it.

I was merely quoting the views of Butterfly Conservation. I too prefer my own memory and that of other people who have spent their lives looking at butterflies. We all know the loss is huge, devastating and not being dealt with. Like you I have memories of huge abundance which is now gone.

I remember when my interest in butterflies really started, I was about 8 and went to Kent on holiday just as the marbled whites hatched in thousands at our camp site. It was a butterfly we had never seen before and it was like another world. Up until then I had been happy with the butterflies in the garden and had reared tortoishells and peacocks in huge netting cages, with my dads help. This was Heaven and my life changed.

I know they say statistics don't lie but perhaps they have not helped here. My apologies for the earlier lapse I will not share any more BC data. Just pictures.
I was born in '71 so i'm referring to the 80's. I wonder if the official stats represent the incidence of a species in 'recording tetrads', rather than the actual numbers, this would make sense.

Peter, i look forward to more BC data keep it coming
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He is a real beauty. Well worth fetching the ladder for. Any more?

I have, but unfortunately not digitised, just old fashioned prints .
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He is a real beauty. Well worth fetching the ladder for. Any more?

I have, but unfortunately not digitised, just old fashioned prints .
Shame, still you may have kept the ladder and the old skills will be there just waiting for more moths to land...

I am currently photographing slides to be able to add them, but haven't thought about negatives yet... but I may have to scan some of those too.

I hope you find some time to take butterflies and insects this summer. The more the better.
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One for Pete, from central France. I am calling it a generic Saddle-backed Bush-cricket based on my simple searches but I am happy to be corrected


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