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View Poll Results: Are you getting fed up with Brexit and should we go back to discussing other things ?
YES - Close the thread 21 47.73%
NO - Keep the debate going on for eternity 23 52.27%
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Our ability to confront Russia alone is pretty minimal. The EU of course is a much stronger opponent.
Really? The French threatened to blockade their ports if we don't pay the Brexit divorce settlement in full, but they didn't stop the Germans in the 1940's.

Italy? Spain? Holland?

Our best bet is Greece. They have the biggest army but probably can't afford diesel fuel for their tanks.
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Really? The French threatened to blockade their ports if we don't pay the Brexit divorce settlement in full, but they didn't stop the Germans in the 1940's.

Italy? Spain? Holland?

Our best bet is Greece. They have the biggest army but probably can't afford diesel fuel for their tanks.
I meant that the EU would be a stronger opponent for Russia.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

4:30am: I'm listening to the BBC's coverage of the vote on Mrs May's Brexit deal. I have the greatest admiration for your PM's leadership.
No matter what Brits may think of her personally, or the deal she has brokered, imo she has shown extraordinary focus and resilience during her difficult prime ministership.
I think she will survive the "deal, or no deal" ballot that is about to take place in about thirty minutes time.
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I meant that the EU would be a stronger opponent for Russia.
In or out, I find it hard to envisage any of the other EU countries rushing to offer the UK assistance if we needed it. By the time they held numerous discussions, meetings, conferences and veto's, whatever the crisis was, we would have sorted it ourselves.

The only realistic opponent for Russia is the USA and they don't seem to like us as much as they did, since Trump took over the reins.

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4:30am: I'm listening to the BBC's coverage of the vote on Mrs May's Brexit deal. I have the greatest admiration for your PM's leadership.
No matter what Brits may think of her personally, or the deal she has brokered, imo she has shown extraordinary focus and resilience during her difficult prime ministership.
I think she will survive the "deal, or no deal" ballot that is about to take place in about thirty minutes time.
Interesting to note how somebody on the other side of the planet has a better insight and understanding of TM than most on this forum.

Thank you Mark

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Standby to repel boarders... https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...id=mailsignout
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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4:30am: I'm listening to the BBC's coverage of the vote on Mrs May's Brexit deal. I have the greatest admiration for your PM's leadership.
No matter what Brits may think of her personally, or the deal she has brokered, imo she has shown extraordinary focus and resilience during her difficult prime ministership.
I think she will survive the "deal, or no deal" ballot that is about to take place in about thirty minutes time.
Yes, I agree with that, with the exception of the word 'leadership': for me she's just allowed herself to be led by the nose down a road she knew was wrong and she didn't agree with (probably still doesn't). We can all come up with a list of proper 'leaders' in the past who wouldn't have done that - they'd have fought for what they believed in and what they thought was best for Britain. Now we've got the tyranny of the focus group and the Daily Fail.

Although she remains for me the 'best' of an appalling bad lot, it's such a shame that her undoubted guts have been wasted on such a facile distraction while the real and potentially-terminal problems facing us (too many to mention, but beginning with climate change) have languished on the back burner.
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Were the Coastguard, Navy, Fisheries Protection, who all possess hi tech radar, asleep or is this possibly Fake News once again ?

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Yes, I agree with that, with the exception of the word 'leadership': for me she's just allowed herself to be led by the nose down a road she knew was wrong and she didn't agree with
TM was following the road she perceived to be the Will Of The People following a democratic vote. The very fact she went down that road despite her own personal views indicates her strength, resilience AND leadership, for which she deserves our respect.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

PM won the vote by 200 to 117.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Probably the best result, the alternatives just don’t work.
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PM won the vote by 200 to 117.

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Personally, I have a hatred of disloyal, traitorous, back stabbers in any walk of life having experienced a similar situation myself.

Such a pity TM is now not able to simply sweep the 117 back into the depths of the sewer where they were undoubtedly spawned.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

No matter how you voted you have to admit that Theresa has certainly proven she believes in what she is doing and is a tough cookie. You cant argue with a democratic vote - she won.

Many on here will criticise her (I have in the past and still disagree with many things she proposes) but she is showing real guts in delivering what she believes the UK voted for., and I admire her for that.
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PM won the vote by 200 to 117.

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