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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

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I should add that using and understanding film is an essential part of most current photography degree courses. I went to an open day at Sunderland Uni before our son applied to go there, and they had a suite of enlargers and darkrooms to die for.

Who needs Lightroom?

If only Cibachrome was still available.
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Setting aside my suspicion that a "degree" in photography is pretty pointless (up there with tattooing and media studies), why would you want to make film an essential part of the course? I would think it's akin to teaching astronomy students how to use an astrolabe - interesting, but not "essential".
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PS - I'm not saying that photography lacks complex and hard-to-learn techniques - just that a university degree is completely inappropriate as a way to teach them. University should be about higher studies with a fair amount of academic content. Photography skills are practical skills with some well-understood and quite simple theory behind them. Surely it's best taught by practical on-the-job experience supplemented with part-time study? Of course, with professional photography nowadays being such a tough business to make money in, I doubt even that is viable anymore.
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

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If only Cibachrome was still available.
I agree, but the chemistry was such environmentally deadly stuff that it had to go.
But not before I had printed a favourite Fuji Provia image (from my 1990 archives),
framed within a tawny brown suede mount, that now hangs on my bedroom wall.
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

Yes

Film is a fantastic medium.

Yes yes yes digital does have one or two things to make life easier for the photographer these days and I really don't care, I switch most of it off and I don't add any sharping when I process the digi file..

A couple of years ago I did lots of 1 year courses at the local college and for one I used the darkroom, yes it was technically more challenging than using the computer, but I loved the eventual images I got out of it.

Digital printing is all well and good (yes I use it a lot) but for me most of the time the image from digital is cold and clinically sharp, something film is not and something that I love about the medium.

One thing that does make me giggle is all these plug ins etc that do there best to mimic film.

If you want it to look like film, then shoot film
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

I could never go back to shooting film - however...
When I go on day shoots I very rarely take more than 100 shots in total.
I think this mentality stems from the 25+ years shooting film when we had to make every frame count.
When I changed over to digital, it took me ages to accept the fact that I could now shoot at ISO 100 for a few frames then change to ISO 3200 and back again

I enjoyed seeing a mono print appear before my eyes as it developed but nowadays I get the same buzz comparing a before and after digital file in LR or Photoshop

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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

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Setting aside my suspicion that a "degree" in photography is pretty pointless (up there with tattooing and media studies), why would you want to make film an essential part of the course? I would think it's akin to teaching astronomy students how to use an astrolabe - interesting, but not "essential".
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I don't entirely disagree with you on this, but where do you draw the line? What would you say about a music performance degree at conservatoire, for example?

I don't wish to bring politics in to this, but the UK government set a target for 50% of all school leavers to go to university.* In truth, only a fraction of school leavers have the need or ability to study truly academic subjects, so the 'red brick' universities have responded by creating degree courses that less academic students can study and excel in. What is so wrong about that?

(* I strongly suspect this had a lot to do with massaging the jobless figures. Moreover, universities employ vast numbers of people and bring foreign students and their money into the country.)

From a student's point of view it is nigh on impossible to get a job anywhere without 'a degree in something', so what are their choices.

Back on topic, I would say that using and understanding film is entirely relevant to a photography degree course, as it is all part of a rounded and thorough understanding of the subject.

In a similar vein, modern GPS systems make traditional navigation methods unnecessary, but the Royal Navy still uses sextants to check the position of its ships every day, just in case the GPS satellites should be taken out by a systems failure or a hostile force.
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

Having shot film for decades I can't see me ever going back to it despite having half a dozen OM bodies gathering dust. But for my personal work I shoot digital as if it was film using manual focus primes almost exclusively. I actually shoot less frames using digital not needing to make in camera dupes for submission to editors.
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

Really interesting question which I suggest has no answer!

That sounds odd but my point is that photography is one of those activities/art forms/hobbies/mediums, call it what you will, that has a myriad of methods, styles and aims all of which are valid and which we are free to follow as we wish.

Therefore if you wish to use film use it. If you wish to use pin hole camera's use them. If you wish to be at the cutting edge of the latest digital kit then use it.

It doesn't matter.

The important thing is that we can express ourselves and get whatever satisfaction we are seeking by following our own paths.

There is no better or worse way of producing images just lots of different ones.

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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

As Nigel points out the larger negative sizes available with film are one reason. MF is only the beginning here, there are plenty of people shooting 5x4 or even 10x8, where my house wouldn't buy a fraction of the digital equivalent!
Another possible advantage would be in shooting UV images - film is sensitive to UV, even with a modified camera digital is not particularly sebsitive to it.
For every day 35mm stuff the only real reason to shoot film is just for the fun of it.
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

By mentioning UV images and modified cameras, do you mean IR?

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By mentioning UV images and modified cameras, do you mean IR?

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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

Possibly not, Mike. See insider's very interesting post in the thread about removing fungus from lenses: http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39635 - it's post no. 8. Not something I had ever thought about before.

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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

For accurately capturing an image representing the observed scene, digital is the way to go. Except for specialist applications, film is as redundant as daguerreotype.

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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

This is beginning to resemble a conversation regarding the relative merits of full-frame against four/thirds...
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Re: Is there any point in shooting film?

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Possibly not, Mike. See insider's very interesting post in the thread about removing fungus from lenses: http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39635 - it's post no. 8. Not something I had ever thought about before.

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