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View Poll Results: Are you getting fed up with Brexit and should we go back to discussing other things ?
YES - Close the thread 21 47.73%
NO - Keep the debate going on for eternity 23 52.27%
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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At this late hour, JC is still of a mind that he can afford to wait. Why get your hands dirty when others are doing it for you. The big problem, is that he thinks he can re-negotiate a deal.

Why should the EU bother when we appear to be desparate and they hold all the winning cards?
I agree, the Tories are doing the dirty on themselves. As the EU have said, this is it, no change, but there is more to life than Brexit. For staters, wages a third less than in 2008 according to one report.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

I had the misfortune to turn on the Radio and hear Tony Blair giving his answer to Brexit. I only heard part of it which was about immigration, making to appear that he was obsessed with it. That would be so unkind!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...ay-Justin-Webb

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

"The EU-Japan trade deal shows just what we're about to lose after Brexit"
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-an...Ab7jVMt-8uJ-AI
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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"The EU-Japan trade deal shows just what we're about to lose after Brexit"
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-an...Ab7jVMt-8uJ-AI
When Brexit is finally concluded one way or another, what on earth are you and the other doom and gloom mongers going to find to sustain your abject misery ?

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When Brexit is finally concluded one way or another, what on earth are you and the other doom and gloom mongers going to find to sustain your abject misery ?
Otto will continue to live in Yorkshire.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

On Q Time last night, David Davis was spot on, the EU should have been pushed to the wire if we were in any hope of a ‘good’ deal. As it is we’re heading potentially for a very bad deal, worse than being full EU members.
Even the left winger Rayner said a second referendum would cause further divisions. She should know as a former trade unionists high up in the ranks.
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... a second referendum would cause further divisions.
That's inevitable unless it was to go 100% one way. Can't see any other options available now.
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When Brexit is finally concluded one way or another, what on earth are you and the other doom and gloom mongers going to find to sustain your abject misery ?
Have you go any good Brexit news then to cheer us up?

Thought not!

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Excellent point Harold, North Yorkshire too !

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Thought not!

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As usual you missed the point to make your own, but that was only to be expected.

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O we'll find something .
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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At this late hour, JC is still of a mind that he can afford to wait.
Wait? Heís got an open goal fercryingoutloud, wait??

My point is that given the Tories are in total disarray then Labour should be reaping the benefits but they clearly arenít. They should be literally soaring in the polls and in with a chance of a landslide victory if an election was called, but they arenít and probably wonít. Blame JC, he should have stuck to the back benches where he felt comfortable, but wasnít very good there either for many, many years. Iím not backing the Tories by any means itís just that there is no opposition from any party. Over the years Iíve voted for them all. Waste of time, likely to spoil the ballot next time, for the first time in over 40 years. Political lightweights the lot of Ďem.
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O we'll find something .
That's about the only certainty we can all count on

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Wait? He’s got an open goal fercryingoutloud, wait??

My point is that given the Tories are in total disarray then Labour should be reaping the benefits but they clearly aren’t... Political lightweights the lot of ‘em.

From my POV: I think ATM he's scared. If he were to bite the bullet it might just back-fire. If this is the case, he can afford to wait. As things stand, he really doesn't have much to offer as everything has been if-ish.

I can't honestly say I've heard anything that could be nailed down other than - I can get a better deal? If so, what is it? Everything he has said so far, ends with a ? mark. Corbyn, like Blair, is a shark, he just doesn't have such pretty teeth.

Bottom line, JC wants to be PM and, much like all the other porky pie sellers in waiting, his ambition(s) are his first priority. In that respect, he's no different from any of the others.

At the end of the day, who do you get to vote for, JRM, BJ, MG etc., or JC?

Not much to choose from, scraping the bottom of a cess-pit in not a pretty thought.

As I said... just my POV.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Itís true, JC does not have very nice teeth, but there must be something about him the ladies go for, it must be his personality. Of note, he had a fling with Diane Abbot and he has been married 3 times. We know he is against a second referendum and he says he would be leaving out the back stop completely. Is he running scared? Should the government fall, he will have a chance to prove his worth.
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