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View Poll Results: Are you getting fed up with Brexit and should we go back to discussing other things ?
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Phil, I think you will find I understand perfectly. ( from a female perspective of course )

My Edited Version: On the march, a lady spoke with the news commentator and said when "she voted to leave, she did not really know what she was voting for and had she known what is has now become, she would have voted to remain", hum mmm interesting insight.

The fact I omitted to mention she was elderly, tanned and had curly blonde hair has not diminished from the point of the post.

A "person" to you, has no importance as an individual, but an elderly, tanned, curly haired, blonde "person" has importance.

That's not too difficult to understand .... Duh

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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I'm amazed how little he's talked about given that he's the parent of all this chaos. There was an article saying as much in the Guardian today:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...des-in-his-hut
But is is though, the architect. What’s more when he announced the referendum he said he’d stick by whatever decision the people reached and would guide us through it, whatever the decision. Lying, privileged, pathetic, loathsome, Tory scumbag.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Let’s not forget, David Cameron was forced into a corner by UKIP at the time. During the march for the people’s vote, doggie pee stations were set up for dogs to pee on photos of Jacob Rees-Mogg. They should had added Nigel Farage to that as well
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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Let’s not forget, David Cameron was forced into a corner by UKIP at the time. During the march for the people’s vote, doggie pee stations were set up for dogs to pee on photos of Jacob Rees-Mogg. They should had added Nigel Farage to that as well
Both those mentioned plus the other incumbents and, I include those in waiting, had better be dog friendly. I for one, if any of them were on fire, wouldn't cross over the road to pee on them to put it out.

As for certain wannabees that never quite garnered enough votes... maybe, in the coming elections we should give them a spot or three in Westminster? Seems some of their 'previous policies' were not as raving loony as was made out... https://www.mirror.co.uk/usvsth3m/7-...-party-5644717 You even get the chance to vote early.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Hang on a minute ...it wasn't David Cameron who got us into this mess...the Commons had a free vote on it....all parties voted to give us the vote. There is too much scaremongering and political points being scored, and i've yet to hear of any options that others are putting on the table, just questions and by all accounts if we stay in the trading market we might as well stay in altogether as that is what the EU want and wrangling amongst ourselves is playing into the EU's hands, ....but that is not what was voted for. So if we have a general election and we don't like what Labour/Conservative ministers tell us when elected in or what they propose do, we ask for another vote as i've changed my mind or I didn't understand what the consequences were ?? Yes we can after 4 years but we cannot change the EU as we get outvoted every time, plus can you remember what David Cameron brought back from his last EU summit when they knew we were having a vote and they knew it would be a 50/50 chance because I can't....
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

and for those who didn't remember.....


European Union Referendum Act 2015
Act of Parliament

Parliament of the United Kingdom
Long title An Act to make provision for the holding of a referendum in the United Kingdom and Gibraltar on whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union.
Citation 2015 c. 36
Introduced by Philip Hammond, Foreign Secretary

Joyce Anelay, Baroness Anelay of St Johns, Minister of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs
Territorial extent United Kingdom
(England and Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland)
Gibraltar
(by implication of the wording of long title and Section 4)
(separate local enacting legislation exists in Gibraltar; see European Union (Referendum) Act 2016 (Gibraltar))
(Act No. 2016-01 (Legislation Number (L.N.) 2016/034, as amended by L.N. 2016/035, L.N. 2016/082 and L.N. 2016/120)))
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Commencement 17 December 2015
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1 February 2016
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Referendum Act 1975
Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000
European Parliamentary Elections Act 2002
European Union Act 2011
European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017
European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018
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Treaty of Union 1706
Acts of Union 1707
Wales and Berwick Act 1746
Irish Constitution 1782
Acts of Union 1800
Parliament Act 1911
Government of Ireland Act 1920
Anglo-Irish Treaty 1921
Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927
Statute of Westminster 1931
United Nations Act 1946
Parliament Act 1949
EC Treaty of Accession 1972
NI (Temporary Provisions) Act 1972
European Communities Act 1972
Local Government Act 1972
Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973
NI Border Poll 1973
NI Constitution Act 1973
Referendum Act 1975
EC Membership Referendum 1975
Scotland Act 1978
Wales Act 1978
Scottish Devolution Referendum 1979
Welsh Devolution Referendum 1979
Local Government (Wales) Act 1994
Local Government etc. (Scotland) Act 1994
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Good Friday Agreement 1998
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The European Union Referendum Act 2015 (c. 36) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that made a legal provision for a non-binding referendum to be held in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, on whether it should remain a member state of the European Union or leave it.[1][2] The bill was introduced to the House of Commons by Philip Hammond, Foreign Secretary on 28 May 2015.[3] The Act was subsequently passed by 544-53 votes on its second reading on 9 June 2015, a ratio of six to one in the Commons[4] and was approved by the House of Lords on 14 December 2015,[5] and given Royal Assent on 17 December 2015 and came partly into force on the same day and came into full legal force on 1 February 2016.

The Act gave effect to a manifesto commitment of the Conservative Party at the general election of May 2015. It required the Secretary of State to appoint the day on which the referendum should be held although it could not be any later than 31 December 2017 and, on Saturday 20 February 2016, David Cameron announced that the referendum would take place on Thursday 23 June 2016. In the referendum, the electorate voted by 51.9% to 48.1% in favour of leaving the EU, on a 72% turnout
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Thank you for reminding us of the outcome and the legislation involved. Where do we go from here? I believe Brexit will happen and there will be no second vote under Theresa May. The only way back in to the EU would be under a different government several years down the road and to be honest, if Britain applied to rejoin under those conditions, it would be a humiliating turn around. Maybe for the remainers, it is a price worth paying? I live part of the year outside of the EU and we get by
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

99% with you Phil. The 1% is that I don't "live part of the year outside of the EU"!

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

I think we'll go crawling back at some point - but it'll be at least 10 years, and maybe 15. When we do we'll suck up to whatever the EU ask us to - there'll be no other option. That'll mean adopting the €, maybe Shengen too, no opt-outs on working time directives or such like, complete subjugation to the ECJ etc. Nothing short of a collapse of the EU will prevent this happening - and I really don't think that is a serious proposition.
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Nothing short of a collapse of the EU will prevent this happening - and I really don't think that is a serious proposition.
I'm not so sure. The peoples of several EU countries have indicated their dissatisfaction with the EU and have said they would like to leave. This, I suspect is why the EU is playing hardball with the UK.

However, once the UK leaves the EU mould will be broken. The loss of the UK's contributions will also make the EU a less attractive place to be.

I don't want to see this happen as by and large the EU has brought a great many advantages to Europe; but the organisation itself is top-heavy, wasteful, bureaucratic and undemocratic, and does not always seem to act in the best interests of citizens of EU countries or the small businesses that they run.
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I think we'll go crawling back at some point - but it'll be at least 10 years, and maybe 15. When we do we'll suck up to whatever the EU ask us to - there'll be no other option. That'll mean adopting the €, maybe Shengen too, no opt-outs on working time directives or such like, complete subjugation to the ECJ etc. Nothing short of a collapse of the EU will prevent this happening - and I really don't think that is a serious proposition.
Yes, and we'll need massive loans to build our economy up again!

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I'm not so sure. The peoples of several EU countries have indicated their dissatisfaction with the EU and have said they would like to leave.
They'll hold fire though and wait and see how the U.K. manages.

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They'll hold fire though and wait and see how the U.K. manages.

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Maybe, but you can bet the EU mandarins would make it much easier for (say) Greece, Italy or Spain to leave than the UK.

Many Greeks remain very bitter about the dire situation their country has been landed in, (even though much of the problem was caused by unrealistic expectations of the public purse and corruption within the Greek establishment).

Even the French are dissatisfied with the EU, and they seem to gain more than most.
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They'll hold fire though and wait and see how the U.K. manages.

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