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Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

Just released on M43 Rumours site. Official announcement will be 25th September.

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panason...-september-25/
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

Oh dear - that's not good news.
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

Interesting, isn't it. Is this also going to be the format of the new 'high end' Oly offering?

From the m4/3 manufacturers' points of view there is presumably benefit in keeping customers in the same ecosystem as they move 'up' to a bigger sensor and then 'down' to something lighter when they get decrepit like me.

I suppose the risk from (most of) our point of view is that development attention will be diverted away from m4/3. Still, other than ongoing m4/3 sensor development (dynamic range, global reading etc), how much more development is really needed on m4/3 bodies and lenses? It's Sony who do much of that.
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

Let's hope Olympus don't close the door on m4/3 in the same way they did on 4/3.

I'd be bitterly disappointed if they stopped producing bodies and lenses for the m4/3 system.

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Panasonic going full frame

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panason...-september-25/
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

I just hope that neither Panasonic nor Olympus do what Sony did ..... and that is to forget and ignore where their roots are, initially the 4/3 and now the amazing micro 4/3.

Sony, once they started with their E mount, totally stopped all advertising, promotions and mentions of their A mount cameras to such an extent that even the most die hard Sony fans were asking if A mount was disappearing. No one still knows the answer to that question. Olympus and Panasonic must not let this happen.

I know that mirrorless full frame bodies have become smaller and lighter but the lenses are and will always be bigger, heavier and generally more expensive.
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

I can't understand what's so 'magical' or optimal about a format based on early 20th Century cine film stock. I can understand it with a film camera - the film is cheap and plentiful, but why be constrained by the format for digital?

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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

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Oh dear - that's not good news.





Panasonic promised to deliver an 8K camera until 2020.

So they need an 40Mp sensor for video, not for photo.



Here is an article from 2017:


https://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-c...th-8k-by-2020/




I do not think Olympus will follow Panasonic, but you never know.
Olympus is not focused on video, so 8k is not interesting for the moment.





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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

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I can't understand what's so 'magical' or optimal about a format based on early 20th Century cine film stock. I can understand it with a film camera - the film is cheap and plentiful, but why be constrained by the format for digital?

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A question I have asked many times and have yet to hear a well reasoned answer. The same can be said for MF Cameras that went for 645 size sensors.

Having said that the 4/3 sensor size is incredibly close to the old TV Camera tube dimensions
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

Simple: it was the dominant format of the time, historically, and to this day has a strong foothold. Nothing to do with it being magical or optimal. Having said that the dimensions of the 1.5 armature produced a very nice, natural looking portrait.

Personally I like the square format more than any other.
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

Can Olympus not afford to join the party??? So many thoughts about this announcement.
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

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Can Olympus not afford to join the party??? So many thoughts about this announcement.
I was thinking the same Dave. Clearly there is strong market desire for FF.

Looked at logically that doesn't make sense. Consider that with m43 today, we get:

- better image quality than MF of film days;

- a system with hardly a missing corner in terms of lenses (just tilt/shift missing) and with size/cost to suit all needs - pro to beginner;

- a range of amazing bodies in terms of features, size and choice;

- an overall compactness which I can't imagine any photographer would not desire.

The quality of the output is more than perfectly acceptable. As a perfect demonstration of that - I noticed that a relatively new member here (katran) posted a little earlier in this thread. I hadn't spotted him before so I went to his Flickr page. There are lots of absolutely excellent images there - and they're shot with an E5. The E-M1ii delivers notably better IQ than the old E5.

The push for FF is being driven by relentless marketing and industry pundits with the promise that the larger sensor is all a photographer needs to deliver top-class images. In reality, I suspect that the majority of these new FF mirrorless cameras (Sony et al) are bought by people who use them to post on social media or to make vLogs. Neither of these use cases needs an FF camera IMHO.
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1) Panasonic will likely focus attention on the new system to the detriment of their m43 offerings.

2) The market will say "this proves that m43 has no future, even Panasonic are going FF"

3) Oly will be under pressure to go FF

4) We'll be left with a marginal system with little future investment or innovation
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Re: Panasonic to announce their first Full Frame Camera

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I was thinking the same Dave. Clearly there is strong market desire for FF.

Looked at logically that doesn't make sense. Consider that with m43 today, we get:

- better image quality than MF of film days;

- a system with hardly a missing corner in terms of lenses (just tilt/shift missing) and with size/cost to suit all needs - pro to beginner;

- a range of amazing bodies in terms of features, size and choice;

- an overall compactness which I can't imagine any photographer would not desire.

The quality of the output is more than perfectly acceptable. As a perfect demonstration of that - I noticed that a relatively new member here (katran) posted a little earlier in this thread. I hadn't spotted him before so I went to his Flickr page. There are lots of absolutely excellent images there - and they're shot with an E5. The E-M1ii delivers notably better IQ than the old E5.

Finally, I suspect that the majority of these new FF mirrorless cameras (Sony et al) are bought by people who use them to post on social media or to make vLogs. Neither of these use cases needs an FF camera IMHO.
I agree with you 100% Paul. I just hope that m43rds continues to evolve as I have no real desire to go Full Frame.
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