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Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

Ive an E510 with stock twin lens kit and 70-300mm and whilst at the NW200 motorcycle race at the weekend and struggled to get sharp action shots, possibly due to the slow autofocus on the 70-300 and managed some ok shots on the 40-150mm lens. Anyway, i came home and decided to start looking for an up grade, or something different anyway! Ive seen a M5Mk1 with approx 5k actions and 14-50mm lens for 300, i like the idea of the weatherproofing etc however if the M10 mk2 was a significantly better camera, I would stretch to it. I know its not necessarily comparing apples with apples, but I'd value your opinion. My usual photography is out and about stuff, so street, action and small amount of landscape
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

You will NOT regret the EM5-1. It is the definite upgrade. The EM-10 feels somewhat under-equipped comparatively.
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

Well, if you ask an opinion you'll likely get several alternatives! Personally, unless weather sealing is important to you, I'd go for the E-M10. These are my reasons:

- Later camera. Later firmware.
- Better ergonomics - the buttons are less squishy and better separated/laid out.
- More features - such as LiveComp, EFCS (0s antishock), focus peaking, built-in flash, Wi-Fi
- Of these, LiveComp, Wi-Fi and EFCS are really worth having IMHO

The only downside I can think of, aside from weather sealing, of the E-M10 is the slightly lower spec IBIS. However, it's still very capable and personally I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor. The E-M10 is a great camera and I can wholeheartedly recommend it. The E-M5 is nice too, but it shows that it's the first of the OM-D line since so much has changed since.
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

I totally agree with Paul (pdk42).

I have both the E-M5 MKI which I bought when it was launched in 2012 and the E-M10 MKII. I still use the E-M5, which is still a fine camera, but regard the E-M10 MKII as the camera I would have bought if it was available in 2012.

From today until the 15th July Olympus have a "cash back" offer which makes the cost of an E-M10 MKII body 369. Seems a "no-brainer" to me.

See here.https://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/ca...c-cameras.html

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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

E-M10ii is a lovely camera. Big uplift over the mk I. Just spend the money and enjoy it!!
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

Thanks for the advice, I nearly got carried away on eBay this evening where a new m5 mk1 with 14-50, 45mm and 40-150 lenses bundle was for sale. Given that the camera is old I valued the package in my head at 2nd hand values of 535, and was outbid by only a few pounds. It was the lure of the lenses that was pulling me in! So looks like I'll plump for the m10, same price only pancake lens. I'm sure I'll not feel shortchanged! ��
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

I saw a new (ex demo) copy of that three lens + E-M5 Mark 1 kit in our local John Lewis in January sales for around 500. Was tempted but didn't succumb in the end. It was heavily discounted by various retailers when the E-M5 II came out. The three lenses can be got new for a total of around 400.

If you bought any OMD and a cheap MMF-3 lookalike adapter (make sure it has electrical pass through so autofocus works) you could use your existing lenses on it - though for action photography autofocus for some FT lenses is a bit compromised on E-M10 and E-M5. So ... if funds permit, another possibility may be a used E-M1 with an adapter. E-M1 does autofocus better with old FT lenses. Big upgrade of camera, but they can sometimes be had used for 350 - 400. In fact WEX currently have E-M1 bodies (sold with a year warranty) in "9-" condition for 420-450. (Then later of course you might get seduced by faster auto-focussing MFT lenses ...)
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

Final thought - you mention motorcycle racing in your OP. If action shooting is what you want, a used E-M1 might be a better bet. With a 40-150R which can be had for a little over 50 you will have a nice combo.
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

On the basis of what you said in the OP: "My usual photography is out and about stuff, so street, action and small amount of landscape" I'd go for the cheapest solution with 5 axis, that being the EM5. Lens selection is somewhat independent, as all u4/3 lenses work on the cameras mentioned. I've seen good used EM5's going for c200 and you should be able to sell it on without much loss if you change your mind. (I think I paid 1k when I purchased new, so wouldn't dream of selling with the value so low - it gets some use from time to time as the need arises).
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

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Final thought - you mention motorcycle racing in your OP. If action shooting is what you want, a used E-M1 might be a better bet. With a 40-150R which can be had for a little over 50 you will have a nice combo.
Yes, E-M1; that's what I was thinking too. (We probably cross posted). Used values very affordable at present, with so many (rich people!) selling off to fund their Mark II.
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

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So looks like I'll plump for the m10, same price only pancake lens. I'm sure I'll not feel shortchanged! ��
FWIW there are a couple of bundles of the E-M10 MkII with 14-42mm kit lenses.
The EZ variant is a pancake with a power zoom.
http://www.jessops.com/online.store/...7145/show.html

The other has a manual zoom with a collapsible body which features a "lock" switch you have to release to shoot.
http://www.jessops.com/online.store/...8020/show.html

The lenses in detail
M.ZUIKO DIGITAL 14-42mm 1:3.5-5.6 II R
https://www.olympus.co.uk/site/en/C/...iir/index.html

M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 14-42mm 1:3.5-5.6 EZ PANCAKE
https://www.olympus.co.uk/site/en/c/..._ez/index.html

I have both 14-42mm lenses - the II R came with my E-PL5 and the EZ with my E-M10. To be honest unless you are after all out compactness the cheaper II R has much to recomend it, I prefer the manual zoom action over the motorised one.

I haven't found any comparisons but to my untrained eye they are similar in results.
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

The E-M5 Mk1 is a fine camera and I won't be parting with mine any time soon. However it has not been actively supported for some time and the firmware features show this. If you can get one at a bargain price then go for it but an E-M10 Mk II will offer you a more up to date and rounded shooting experience. Others have mentioned a second hand E-M1 Mk1 and prices on this are falling so worth a look. Start with the for sale section of this forum to get an idea of prices.
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

Honestly, if motor cycles and similar fast moving subjects are your main type of photography, unless you can afford to stretch to a used E-M1, I'd recommend a used E-3 (yes, an E-3) and add a 50-200mm. For all other types of photography I'd whole-heartedly endorse an E-M10ii.
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Re: Advice 2nd hand M5 Mk1 or New OM10

At the current used prices of EM1's I'd definitely go for one of them, it's a lot of camera for around 350-450 which is what they seem to be going for depending on condition. That way with an adaptor your old lenses would also work well too, especially as you are looking at shooting motorsport.
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