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The new Pen-F

Just watched the DPR interview, very impressed.
Personally I think it is a beautiful design, unfortunately likely to be out of my price range for a year or two.
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Re: The new Pen-F

It looks very nice but unless the new sensor offer significant advantages I can't see it being a better option than an E-M5ii. I agree with Ming Thein's review here that it seems very much JPEG orientated. Many of the controls will be of no use to me and I'd prefer the weather sealing of the E-M5ii. Still, each to his own. Looking forward to seeing it in London later today in any case.
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Re: The new Pen-F

Yes, you are right it is jpeg orientated. As a jpeg shooter that is the appeal for me but I take your point totally.
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Re: The new Pen-F

It looks good in the flesh, clearly the top of the range PEN. As it moves all the post processing into the camera (via the colour/mono/art dial) it is clearly aimed at the jpeg shooter - and nothing wrong with that.

The stand out thing for me was the improved thumb grip on the rear. The scuptured shape meant that I was less likely to hit the menu controls with the ball of my hand.

I did not see a manual so I'm not sure if the new mode dial (works with the front art dial) can be re-functioned.

Sadly it doesn't meet my needs but I hope that all future PENs follow the PEN-F and have a viewfinder.
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Re: The new Pen-F

I handled the new Pen F today at the launch event. Super feel to it - very solid and high quality build. Fast and responsive etc. I would be tempted if I were in the market, but I'm very happy with my E-M1 so I won't be an early customer. However, if the new sensor offers DR or noise improvements and it appears in the E-M1ii then I can see that making its way into my bag.
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Re: The new Pen-F

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I handled the new Pen F today at the launch event. Super feel to it - very solid and high quality build. Fast and responsive etc. I would be tempted if I were in the market, but I'm very happy with my E-M1 so I won't be an early customer. However, if the new sensor offers DR or noise improvements and it appears in the E-M1ii then I can see that making its way into my bag.
That hands on opinion is very helpful, thanks Paul

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Re: The new Pen-F

I should add to Paul's comments that it is indeed a lovely camera. It even has a screw thread in the shutter release for an old style cable release. Cool or what! In the future there will even be a wooden screw in knob available.........

On the the downside, it is not weather sealed, and the fully articulated screen is not so convenient to use in landscape mode as my EM1. You have to pull it out and swivel it a la E3/E5. Once out though, it offers better portrait mode use. As it would, in theory, make a great Street camera, this is a bit of a disadvantage. It is being touted as a creative camera, hence the dial on the front. It is a camera aimed more at the jpeg user.

Body only will be 999, which is a bit steep IMO. It will come down in time though but there is not enough for me to warrant splashing the cash, gorgeous as the Pen F undoubtedly is.

There were lots of lenses to play with including the new 300mm f4. A lovely lens and very sharp even at f4. Not a lens for me though as I would find 300mm too restrictive.

The venue was a great place overlooking the Thames with good views to the City and very close to Tower Bridge, which made testing the lenses worthwhile. Even got some good night shots on my walk back to Westminster tube station before catching the train to Paddington.

By the way, it was great to meet and chat with you Paul ☺.
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Re: The new Pen-F

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I can't see it being a better option than an E-M5ii.
I agree that it does not appear to be a better option than the EM5 II. But with 11 lenses I need a second body and this does seem something like a revival of a 1963 classic. Assuming further hands-on reviews are good, I am considering a plan in a few months of selling my original EM5 and getting the Pen-F as a companion to the EM5 MkII.
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Re: The new Pen-F

If you're considering a second body as a companion i would recommend having two identical cameras, so in your case two EM5 MkIIs. From my experience it can be confusing when switching between systems with different button placement, menu options etc, especially in the heat of the moment when trying to get the shot.
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By the way, it was great to meet and chat with you Paul ☺.
Great to meet you too Dave! I managed to get some half-decent shots of Tower Bridge on the way back - hope you got some good ones too.
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I agree that it does not appear to be a better option than the EM5 II. But with 11 lenses I need a second body and this does seem something like a revival of a 1963 classic. Assuming further hands-on reviews are good, I am considering a plan in a few months of selling my original EM5 and getting the Pen-F as a companion to the EM5 MkII.
Whilst I agree with Steve (Ricoh) I suspect you could get the Pen F and E-M5ii pretty close in operation with careful setup, although you'd have to ignore the exp comp dial to keep the basic shooting controls similar. They share the same battery BTW. However, on balance I think 2 x E-M5ii is probably the better option. Except for that flippy screen the E-M5ii is a stunning camera.
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Great to meet you too Dave! I managed to get some half-decent shots of Tower Bridge on the way back - hope you got some good ones too.
Yes, I got some half decent ones too. Judging a photographic comp at a local club tomorrow night so I will get them sorted out on Friday ☺
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Re: The new Pen-F

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If you're considering a second body as a companion i would recommend having two identical cameras, so in your case two EM5 MkIIs. From my experience it can be confusing when switching between systems with different button placement, menu options etc, especially in the heat of the moment when trying to get the shot.
So when are you getting your second M240, Steve?
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Re: The new Pen-F

I quite like the look of this new camera.
If I didn't use an E-M10 as a second body then I could be tempted.
Especially so as Jessops are giving quite a good trade in deal for my Canon 70D (450) which hasn't seen daylight for nearly a year now.
This would take it down to a more realistic price

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Whilst I agree with Steve (Ricoh) I suspect you could get the Pen F and E-M5ii pretty close in operation with careful setup, although you'd have to ignore the exp comp dial to keep the basic shooting controls similar. They share the same battery BTW. However, on balance I think 2 x E-M5ii is probably the better option. Except for that flippy screen the E-M5ii is a stunning camera.
I can see what you guys are saying but I do think different camera set-ups with be a problem. I have always used Canons for underwater photography and occasionally used the same camera on and without a problem while still using the OMD as my regular 'dry' camera. Furthermore, I am now using the EM5 marks I and II together and despite their superficial similarity, some buttons are in different places. The on-off lever, playback button, LV (shooting menu) button etc are all in different spots. In fact, a quick check showed that back button positions are more similar between the EM5 II and the Pen F.

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