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Re: Electric Vehicles Emit more CO2 than Diesel

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...I would also suggest that the reason your electric car has low running (fuel) costs is that government has yet to find a way of applying road fuel duty on electricity used to charge electric cars. Enjoy it whilst you can because at some point the Chancellor will need to collect the money currently being lost to electric and hybrid vehicles....
You need to have your electrcity supply upgraded if you want to fast charge your car. It wouldn't take much to have this fed via a different meter priced at a different rate to include some form of tax. I recall some discussion of banning slow charge vehicles from charging at motorway services because they end up being parked for too long - so older electric vehicles will not be able to travel further than 50 miles or so from "home".
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Re: Electric Vehicles Emit more CO2 than Diesel

It IS possible to have a respectful discussion about serious topics that involve difficult issues, including politics, etc. and where politely agreeing to disagree is good. Unfortunately, we have to step in because people appear to not realise this or forget.

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As this is a "family oriented forum" there is always children's toys, baking, fashion, holidays, gardening, family outings, plenty to occupy discussion between like minded members. Anything that doesn't involve the use of "rich language" serious mature discussion, or upsetting topics between mature adults seems allowable

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You need to have your electrcity supply upgraded if you want to fast charge your car. It wouldn't take much to have this fed via a different meter priced at a different rate to include some form of tax. I recall some discussion of banning slow charge vehicles from charging at motorway services because they end up being parked for too long - so older electric vehicles will not be able to travel further than 50 miles or so from "home".
I'm looking to have a wall unit to charge the Tesla at home but the only modification will be an additional breaker to handle 32A of current. That will provide around 7KW of charging and that translates into approximately 20 miles range per hour of charging.

It's not super fast but if you got home at 8PM and left for work the following 7AM you'd have 11 hours of charge, potentially (no pun intended!), or about 220 miles of range charged in that time period. You don't want to use very fast charging all the time as it hastens the rate of capacity degradation.

Some people have had 3-phase electrics wired in for their chargers and this is definitely faster but I would guess there are additional costs.

The nice thing about Teslas is that you can use the Supercharger network and for many owners of older cars it will be free. If you don't have to share the current with another car you could see a 50% (100+ miles depending on your driving and the battery pack fitted) battery charge in as little as 20 minutes.

Let's be honest about road tax and petrol duty - it hasn't been used for funding roads exclusively for a very long time. I certainly expect EVs to be taxed sooner rather than later but I also feel the tax rate should be lower than for more polluting vehicles. New Teslas and other expensive EVs over £40,000 are already taxed over £300 a year thanks to a new luxury car tax that also applies to conventional cars of the same values.

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Re: Electric Vehicles Emit more CO2 than Diesel

Its the Soco TC we are gettinghttp://supersoco.co.uk/tc/and if that's successful for the Mrs I am thinking of maybe the new TC Max https://www.avonmotorcycles.co.uk/pr...r-soco-tc-max/


When I factored in the cost of new batteries every 4 years or so the savings were not what they suggest, but for going into the city in a non noisy/non emissions manner it seems a really good option

We can charge these from a 13 amp household socket as they have a small fraction of the batteries to charge that an electric car has

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Re: Electric Vehicles Emit more CO2 than Diesel

Installing a 3-phase supply could be very costly. Have a look here.
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Re: Electric Vehicles Emit more CO2 than Diesel

My Citroen just charges up on the house mains in about 6 hours, depending how the battery is depleted during the day/night. I guess the bigger the battery the bigger/longer the charge time. If I use a motorway charger with Ecotricity, the charge takes maybe 25 minutes. But cars with bigger batteries might well take longer. I don't know...… My experience is that the fast chargers are the only way to go, slow chargers are just no good if you have to wait 6 hours to charge up, unless its overnight of course.

To answer Nigels POV, yes at the mo I pay 5% VAT on my home electric charge. But right or wrong the government is trying to reduce pollution and CO2, thus is able to give a help with low tax, and even zero road tax. As for wind turbines taking more power to build than the oil system, just think how many wind turbines could be built for the cost of just one 100,000 ton oil tanker, never mind the rest of the system...………….

Don't worry about it, use the system. My mode of transport is as good and probably less polluting than yours....

Serious discussion, I am not trying to belittle your arguments/reasoning...…….but I do have a realistic POV...………...
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When I factored in the cost of new batteries every 4 years or so the savings were not what they suggest, but for going into the city in a non noisy/non emissions manner it seems a really good option

We can charge these from a 13 amp household socket as they have a small fraction of the batteries to charge that an electric car has

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Andy, my batteries are now coming up to 8 years old, and are still good. Re my earlier comment that the original Citroen Zero claimed a range of 93 miles, and now my range is about 50 miles, the manufacturers claim is very likely to be extremely optimistic, as are miles per gallon. I very much doubt the original car was able to do 93 miles, without going on a long down hill trip with a strong following wind...……..
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Re: Electric Vehicles Emit more CO2 than Diesel

I'll hope for that with our batteries. They are warranted for 3 so I don't want to expect too much

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Teslas (well, the Model S we're aiming at) have an 8 year, infinite mile warranty on both the battery pack and drive unit. There is also no limit on the number of owners during the warranty period. So we'll have 5 years remaining.

The new Model 3s batteries I understand are limited to 100,000 miles or 120,000 miles of warranty.

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Sorry, but I would not trust Elon Musk to deliver anything he promises. Every time his critics start asking difficult questions he announces some new future planned vehicle and the press just believe him. As for being green, if you don't live within 10 miles of a city do you get a free diesel generator with every Tesla?
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Re: Electric Vehicles Emit more CO2 than Diesel

About to to order a new pair of walking boots, a bit of research shows that the factory producing them throws out quite a bit of pollution and uses a lot of resources so maybe I need to cancel the pair and walk barefoot !!

Agree here that there are too many people on the planet to sustain the lifestyle that we would like to maintain, so not sure what the answer is, but do remember my Gran telling me many years ago that man will eventually kill himself and she could be right.

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Generally? Sort out proper contraception, see previous comments re: the Catholic Church

Locally? Stop paying feckless girls to have babies they so obviously can’t afford.
Even amongst practicing Roman Catholics I don't think papal teachings on birth control are followed in the way they once were; certainly not in Europe, so I don't think that is a major issue any more; although Islam seems to encourage large families.

On the flip side, perhaps if people listened to the church's teachings about marriage, fidelity and so forth we wouldn't need to pay feckless girls to have babies they so obviously can’t afford (or raise).
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Sorry, but I would not trust Elon Musk to deliver anything he promises. Every time his critics start asking difficult questions he announces some new future planned vehicle and the press just believe him. As for being green, if you don't live within 10 miles of a city do you get a free diesel generator with every Tesla?
He is one of the worlds biggest con men IMHO and seems to get away with it.


Elon Musk and Tesla seem to be the new Apple.
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