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PEN-F, Crap quality. Third time unlucky.

It's not me, honest. Is it wrong to seek perfection in a piece of technology costing a 'Grand'.

My 'THIRD' defective PEN-F goes back on Monday, being collected by Paecelforce.

I tried to love it, honestly, I did. But to no avail, it goes back.

I'm not sure as to my thoughts on OLY at this moment, one thing for sure, I'm done with PEN-F's.
Shame, cos I loved the EVF.

Is this just a blip?....I've had numerous Oly bodies/lenses and the only QA issue that has arisen is a loose lug on an original E-M5, which was speedily rectified by Oly.
But I do question Oly's future QA, is this the thin edge of the wedge.

Body No.3. Good side and bad side....Body No.2 was exactly the same.

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Body No.1, the worst.

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Re: PEN-F, Crap quality. Third time unlucky.

I'd guess and say these things are wrapped by human hands. No you are not wrong to reject such poor quality of finish, I would do exactly the same. If I attempted to ignore the badly fitting leatherette I would only regret it.
It used to be said about cars. If the shut lines were off, it left the owner in doubt about the quality of things you could not see, eg 'under the hood'.
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I'd guess and say these things are wrapped by human hands. No you are not wrong to reject such poor quality of finish, I would do exactly the same. If I attempted to ignore the badly fitting leatherette I would only regret it.
It used to be said about cars. If the shut lines were off, it left the owner in doubt about the quality of things you could not see, eg 'under the hood'.
What I can't get my head around is why the LH side is perfect on all three bodies, yet the RH side is defective on all.
Also the quality of the 'leather' seems better on the LH side than the RH side, on all three bodies.

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I'd guess and say these things are wrapped by human hands. No you are not wrong to reject such poor quality of finish, I would do exactly the same. If I attempted to ignore the badly fitting leatherette I would only regret it.
It used to be said about cars. If the shut lines were off, it left the owner in doubt about the quality of things you could not see, eg 'under the hood'.
Exactly, if they cannot get the external finish right it doesn't inspire confidence in the precision components inside.
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What I can't get my head around is why the LH side is perfect on all three bodies, yet the RH side is defective on all.
Also the quality of the 'leather' seems better on the LH side than the RH side, on all three bodies.

Let's assume the camera profile hasn't changed .
The leatherette will be cut by machine, machine tooling wear...
The leatherette is cut from a virtual 2D flat sheet, the camera is curved... It's like wallpapering curved surfaces. But it has worked ok on earlier Pen Fs.

Possible glue irregularities applied to covering.
Camera bodies consistently not decreased properly.
The skilled operator has left the buiding, the apprentice has taken on responsibilities.
Change to material properties, leatherette and glue.

Please feel free to add to the list.

The thing is, I wouldn't buy it from you second hand, unless it was really cheap.
c 350 if you wish.
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What I can't get my head around is why the LH side is perfect on all three bodies, yet the RH side is defective on all.
Also the quality of the 'leather' seems better on the LH side than the RH side, on all three bodies.

Maybe there is an inherent fault in the pattern of the material, with the way it is cut making it difficult if not impossible for the assemblers to produce a good fit?
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Nowt wrong with mine
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Nowt wrong with mine
Maybe Dave has just been incredibly unlucky.
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Re: PEN-F, Crap quality. Third time unlucky.

Just needs a bit of an iron.
Wouldn't bother me if I could negotiate a decent discount.
Anything else would be covered by warranty, odds on its just a bit of carelessness in the factory.
Fuji X-T1 had the covering peel off, Nikon D300 suffered too, sweat from hands apparently.

Most obviously fussier than me, have to say I wouldn't pay full price, but fair reduction would work.
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Re: PEN-F, Crap quality. Third time unlucky.

I've had two Pen F cameras. Both were fine. I only sold first because I wanted to switch from chrome to black. Personally, a tiny bit of leatherette creasing wouldn't bother me, but each to his own.
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Re: PEN-F, Crap quality. Third time unlucky.

I'm staggered that 'anybody' especially members of this forum would accept such an glaringly obvious 'defect' on a 'One-Thousand-Pound' camera body.

As I have said previously, when No.2 went back......
Would you accept a new car with a crease in the door.....NO, you would definitely not.

All the LH sides have been perfect, all the RH sides c**p, definitely a production and QA problem.
If it can be done on the left why cant it be done on the right?
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I'm staggered that 'anybody' especially members of this forum would accept such an glaringly obvious 'defect' on a 'One-Thousand-Pound' camera body.

As I have said previously, when No.2 went back......
Would you accept a new car with a crease in the door.....NO, you would definitely not.

All the LH sides have been perfect, all the RH sides c**p, definitely a production and QA problem.
If it can be done on the left why cant it be done on the right?
I did say that it would only be acceptable to me at a decent discount.
You seem to be forever changing gear, so I suppose secondhand value is of greater importance to you than me.
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I'm staggered that 'anybody' especially members of this forum would accept such an glaringly obvious 'defect' on a 'One-Thousand-Pound' camera body.
Well, it's a minor cosmetic defect. It won't detract from its capabilities taking pictures and my guess is that 9 out of 10 people wouldn't even notice it. But, we all have our own thresholds so I'm not trying to pick an argument

And it's not a one thousand pound body - using full-price UK dealers and purchasing it with the 17/1.8, then it's a grand, but there are alternative options for new body only as low as 650.
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Well, it's a minor cosmetic defect. It won't detract from its capabilities taking pictures and my guess is that 9 out of 10 people wouldn't even notice it. But, we all have our own thresholds so I'm not trying to pick an argument

And it's not a one thousand pound body - using full-price UK dealers and purchasing it with the 17/1.8, then it's a grand, but there are alternative options for new body only as low as 650.
Correction Paul, with 17mm from WEX it's One Thousand One Hundred Pounds...that's 1100, I use full price UK dealers for confidence.
It pays off, WEX have been exceptional in their service and understanding, refunding postage and arranging collection on three occasions by Parcelforce free of charge.

One cannot get around it, it's very poor production and QA by Olympus (IMVHO), regardless of what one paid for it or from where it was purchased.....END OF.
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Re: PEN-F, Crap quality. Third time unlucky.

Imagine buying an overcoat that has a 'minor cosmetic defect', eg a badly tailored seam. You're a member of the 'Overcoats.UK' user forum and you tell the tale. You've had three overcoats from the same company and they're all equally misshapen, but the opinion from fellow members of Overcoats.uk user forum is 'live with it, the coat still functions, it will keep you warm'... What do you do?
Reputably the Pen F has reached the end of the road with no more being made. Perhaps the Pen Fs Dave had the misfortune to purchase were well and truly from the bottom of the barrel. Like the fruit and veg at the supermarket at the end of trading.
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