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Film Slide copying...

I already have some equipment which works on my Canon EOS 1D ii DSLR system but have discovered the camera battery is kaput.

Am now thinking of using my micro 4/3 camera The canon system uses an adaptor to which you connect a specialy adapted slide copier lens – has a slide holder built in – which allows TTL adjustments to be made with regards to focul clarity.

Am now thinking of using my my micro 4/3 camera to copy from the colour slides into digital copies.

The question is, do similar adaptors or lens add-ons exist for this to be done without having to mortgage the house and chattels etc., etc?

Would appreciate any and all assistance I can get.

Friend of a friend has agreed to attempt developing several 35mm films at cost of materials only... the Scot in me couldn't resist saying yes.

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Re: Film Slide copying...

Yes and I use one

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00VIR5ZO0/

The 10x lens in it gave absolutely awful results so I removed it and it's a lot better - it attaches to the ZD50 (old 4/3 version) which I put on the EM1mkII with the MMF2 adaptor

It does work..

Downsides are that the holder is really tight and its hard to see when the slide is accurately lined up so I may go back to my old technique which was just to put all the slides on a lightbox in a dark room so there is no forward light and the camera on a mini tripod loosely attached so I could move it around, but get some stability. I was getting excellent results and really fast way to process

Whatever you use, the overall best feature of copying slides like this is you get a RAW file to work with. I have been easily able to pull a lot more detail out of some 1920's glass slides using this mechanism

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Re: Film Slide copying...

I'm using a BEOON, but a copy stand or a modified enlarger column would be fine as this ensures a near enough perfect parallel arrangement of object and sensor, plus vertical adjustment for focus (read on). For corner to corner sharpness I have found an enlarger lens to be better than a lens designed for a camera, but since the enlarger lens is fixed focus you need vertical adjustment on the column. Since 1:1 registration is not attainable due to the mismatch between 3x2 and 4x3, you have to accept a compromise one way or another, eg set the u43 to 3x2 and accept the pixel loss.
Aim for a flat profile, then in PP you can play to your heart's content. Much easier in B&W than colour neg, since colour neg has an orange cast (can be corrected by a number of tequniques, but essentially you take an image of the unexposed colour negative to set colour balance to negate the orange cast). In B&W, usually it's just a case of setting the black and white points and tweaking the curves to separate the mid tones.
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Re: Film Slide copying...

Thanks guy's. Food for thought to be going on with. Will continue to do more research as it will be a week or two before we have lift-off. The chap will start off with just one roll of film to get an idea of how good or bad things may be?

Fingers X'd as they have been stored from around late 60's to mid 70's?

As I would realy like to use my EP-3 for this whim, this is why I raised the question. I have just found a replacement battery for under £40 which, if push comes to shove, will form Plan B.
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As I have yet another eye assessment after the vitrectomy, due on the 27th. This is to be followed by yet another assessment at a date as yet unknown so there is no pressure on my new found friend to rush things.
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Re: Film Slide copying...

I use much the same set-up as Shenstone apart from the adapter unit which is branded as Polaroid. It was a lot less than £140 - the magnifying lenses were similarly useless. I needed a few mm's of spacer rings to bring within focal distance of the 4/3rds 50mm macro lens but I have used it for all my slides & with negative strip holder I am now going through my negs.
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Re: Film Slide copying...

I'm still researching for a reasoably cheap answer to the problem. I stumbled across this item which might prove useful to others who may wish to attempt a similar project in the future. http://www.olympusamerica.com/crm/on..._oly_06_11.asp

The beauty of this approach is that many of us will already have most of the photographic tools at hand.
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Re: Film Slide copying...

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I use much the same set-up as Shenstone apart from the adapter unit which is branded as Polaroid. It was a lot less than £140 - the magnifying lenses were similarly useless. I needed a few mm's of spacer rings to bring within focal distance of the 4/3rds 50mm macro lens but I have used it for all my slides & with negative strip holder I am now going through my negs.
following your post I just realised that the price shown on Amazon was a lot more than the £55.00 I paid for mine

I have no idea why the price has changed so much

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m 4/3 EM1MkII + 60 macro, 12-100 Pro
FL20, FL36 x2 , FL50, cactus slaves etc.
The Boss (Mrs Shenstone) E620, EM10-II, 14-41Ez, 40-150R, 9 cap and whatever she can nick from me when she wants it

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Re: Film Slide copying...

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I'm still researching for a reasoably cheap answer to the problem. I stumbled across this item which might prove useful to others who may wish to attempt a similar project in the future. http://www.olympusamerica.com/crm/on..._oly_06_11.asp

The beauty of this approach is that many of us will already have most of the photographic tools at hand.
Almost the same as what I do most of the time

Regards
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m 4/3 EM1MkII + 60 macro, 12-100 Pro
FL20, FL36 x2 , FL50, cactus slaves etc.
The Boss (Mrs Shenstone) E620, EM10-II, 14-41Ez, 40-150R, 9 cap and whatever she can nick from me when she wants it

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Re: Film Slide copying...

Using spacers or extension tubes needs an understanding of the thin lens equation. You can work out the effective nodal point of a complex lens if you want to be precise. I found the 4x3, 3x2 mismatch to be the Achilles Heel.
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Re: Film Slide copying...

Here is the setup I use.

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Re: Film Slide copying...

Or get one of these https://shop.lomography.com/en/smartphone-scanner
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Re: Film Slide copying...

@ Scottwin... Here is the setup I use.

Your photo shows an almost if not identical set-up that which I mentioned in my OP

It uses an adapter ring into which the slide copy lens fits.

I have two copy lens one is the OHNAR Zoom Slide Duplicator ( 1 ) slide at a time and the other a slightly more adaptable AICO version which allows multiple slides to be fitted into slide holder.

Could you tell me which micro 4/3 adapter and the slide adapter lens you show in your photo?

I ask this as my weight training days using my older gear are long gone, plus a smaller, lighter set-up would be easier to move around. I've turned into a wimp in my old age.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Film Slide copying...

@ Ricoh.

That would more than likely work, but, would require my begging, borrowing or stealing a touch phone.

I use an old mobile almost 12 years old as it still works. and have found that in my case, touch screeaamms - phones and tablets - don't work too well, if at all? Seems I am not compatible.
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Wink Re: Film Slide copying...

Apologies for the size of the photo posted - it was late & I couldn't work out how to re-size it quickly on the mobile....


The slide copier was one from amazon :
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


This was sized for the filter ring on the 4/3rds 50mm lens (52mm), as I said the magnifying lens provided was useless so I knocked it out of the ring & used this ring & and extension/spacer:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gadget-Care...VNR2RGF1FF9C7F
to bring the slide holder into focus distance. Make sure you take the plastic protector from the back of the diffuser on the slide copier (took me a while to work out what those spots were on the images)..


I use this for negs. (it fits well in the holder):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kaiser-Film...WW5D1Y5D0SXHQ6


After a bit of experimentation I managed to find a good LED light with fairly even light across its extents for backlighting. Taotronics - can't recall the model...


Mounted on an old Jessops mini-tripod & not forgetting the MMF-3 4/3 to m4/3 adaptor which pretty much lives on the camera.


I shoot in RAW so easy to make adjustments for WB etc. etc.... .


Good luck,


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Re: Film Slide copying...

Thanks Scott for the additional post. The info supplied was just what I needed to know.

Haven't wanted to spend too much as the films have yet to be processed and afte such a long time in storage, I'm worried they might not be useable? I live in hope.

The slide lens lens you linked shows it has a 52mm thread which should allow me to use the Oly 12-50. As I already have several slide holders all I hope is that they to fit into the slide lens.

Will keep everyone updated once the start whistle goes off and will - hopefully - have some snaps to post.

Thanks again for your input and, my thanks also to all the others for their input.
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