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Movie mode - technical discussions Still imaging is complicated enough but for most of us video and movie making is a whole new world to get to grips with - here is the place to request help and advice and to post it too.

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Best performance for video

I have received a very warm welcome here since joining up a few days ago, thank you very much. I have made nearly 50 amateur videos in 4K/HD using GoPro/Sony/Nikon/Canon.

I have no experience with any of the Olympus range - novice and I am wondering which model I could go for which handles the HD/4K format fairly well. Any suggestions are most welcomed. My interests in video are motor cars and wildlife.

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I have received a very warm welcome here since joining up a few days ago, thank you very much. I have made nearly 50 amateur videos in 4K/HD using GoPro/Sony/Nikon/Canon.

I have no experience with any of the Olympus range - novice and I am wondering which model I could go for which handles the HD/4K format fairly well. Any suggestions are most welcomed. My interests in video are motor cars and wildlife.

All the best
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Hi Phil.

I'm sorry you haven't had any responses yet to your request.

I'm afraid that the majority of members are stills only shooters as may be seen by the dearth of posts on the "Show us your movies" board. The reason for this is partly that until very recently Olympus have not considered movie functions as very important in the OM-D range of cameras prefering to concentrate on steadily improving stills capability/functionality although all models do have a video recording capability. So up to the recent introduction of the E-M1 MKII none of the cameras has had 4K capability. The introduction of 4K and C4K capability has now changed that and from looking at a number of reviews the E-M1 MKII has suddenly put Olympus into the forefront in comparison with competitors in respect of video.

Sadly in view of your budget constraints I don't think this will help you much.

Here are a couple of links to reviews that compare the E-M1 MKII 4K capability with other makes that have until now led the CSC/video market.

https://www.cameralabs.com/olympus-o...ark-ii-review/

https://fstoppers.com/originals/chec...mark-ii-157334


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Re: Best performance for video

The OM-D E-M1 Mark II has 4K but off the top of my head the rest are restricted to 1080HD.

If video is a priority then a Panasonic Lumix body would offer more flexibility and probably critical recording quality, but Olympus' ace is its remarkable good 5-axis in-body image stabilisation, which works really well for video as well as stills.

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Re: Best performance for video

The Panasonic GH4, GH4R and the GH5 are probably the most advanced video m4/3 bodies around.
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The OM-D E-M1 Mark II has 4K but off the top of my head the rest are restricted to 1080HD.

If video is a priority then a Panasonic Lumix body would offer more flexibility and probably critical recording quality, but Olympus' ace is its remarkable good 5-axis in-body image stabilisation, which works really well for video as well as stills.

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Thank you Ian, video is not a priority as I have a dedicated Sony video camera, but it would have been nice to cut down on the amount of gear I have to carry. Thank you for suggestion which I will mull over.
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Hi Phil.

I'm sorry you haven't had any responses yet to your request.

I'm afraid that the majority of members are stills only shooters as may be seen by the dearth of posts on the "Show us your movies" board. The reason for this is partly that until very recently Olympus have not considered movie functions as very important in the OM-D range of cameras prefering to concentrate on steadily improving stills capability/functionality although all models do have a video recording capability. So up to the recent introduction of the E-M1 MKII none of the cameras has had 4K capability. The introduction of 4K and C4K capability has now changed that and from looking at a number of reviews the E-M1 MKII has suddenly put Olympus into the forefront in comparison with competitors in respect of video.

Sadly in view of your budget constraints I don't think this will help you much.

Here are a couple of links to reviews that compare the E-M1 MKII 4K capability with other makes that have until now led the CSC/video market.

https://www.cameralabs.com/olympus-o...ark-ii-review/

https://fstoppers.com/originals/chec...mark-ii-157334


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Thank you for the links and reviews, which I checked out this afternoon. The flagship is expensive, which puts it into the realms of the Panasonic GH5 territory, both worthy of the price tag and both excellent camera from the reviews I have read.. I have seen some deals on the web offering the EM1 Mark ii for around 1200, which is encouraging for buyers, but a bit of blow for those selling privately.

Recently, someone with light fingers lifted my GoPro 4K. What I like about 4K is the image quality, its sharp and crisp. If needed I can pick one up second hand or go generic.
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The Panasonic GH4, GH4R and the GH5 are probably the most advanced video m4/3 bodies around.
Thanks for that and for your support for a newbie such as myself. I looked at the GH5, but it's a tad expensive. I will check out the GH4 and GH4R.
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Re: Best performance for video

If video is secondary to stills and 1080HD (full HD) is adequate I would still recommend the E-M1 Mark 1; pound for pound it's unbeatable value. The Panasonics are great for video but I feel the E-M1 is a league above for stills.

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If video is secondary to stills and 1080HD (full HD) is adequate I would still recommend the E-M1 Mark 1; pound for pound it's unbeatable value. The Panasonics are great for video but I feel the E-M1 is a league above for stills.

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Good morning Ian and thank you. There are many reviews and videos about the E-M1 Mark 1. I take your point about the still images being superior. I don't think it's that old, but did all of the firmware updates come through for it? I looked at Panasonic and wondered if there is a relationship with Olympus, given certain specs look the same.

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Re: Best performance for video

The E-M1 Mark 1 had a comprehensive firmware update nearly 2 years ago, adding some attractive new functions (like silent shutter mode) as well as improving some existing ones (improved continuous AF). That update has had some subsequent bug-fixes. The camera is very mature in this respect.

Panasonic and Olympus do cooperate because they both develop for the same Micro Four Thirds platform. Olympus developed the Four Thirds DSLR platform, launched in 2003. Panasonic joined the club and launched its own Four Thirds DSLR (which was also badged as a Leica model) in 2006. This was basically a customised Olympus chassis, though Panasonic produced its own lenses, and still does. In 2008 Panasonic took the lead and launched Micro Four Thirds after gambling that the DSLR was a technological dead end. Panasonic adapted the Four Thirds standard, retaining much of the control electronics protocols and of course the sensor size. This would have required cooperation with Olympus, although Olympus took a whole year to follow Panasonic with their own Micro Four Thirds model. These days the two are fierce competitors, each introducing new features that are not compatible with each other's systems. One example is dual IS, where the lens and the sensor move together to reduce camera shake. Olympus lenses that have this feature can only use dual IS on Olympus bodies and the same goes with Panasonic. You can interchange Panasonic and Olympus lenses on respective brand bodies, but just don't expect some functions to work.

There was a time when Panasonic and Olympus used the same (Panasonic made) sensors, though Panasonic did have some premium versions exclusively. But now both Panasonic and Olympus use Sony sensors in some models.

Panasonic has a big pro and amateur camcorder business and is very experienced in this field so they have been very proactive in video functionality. Variants of their Micro Four Thirds cameras are now widely used for professional broadcast jobs and they have had 4K functionality for several years. Olympus has a better reputation (but not markedly so) for still image quality and functionality and they only introduced 4K video with the E-M1 Mark II last year.

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Re: Best performance for video

Further to what Ian says you will find a host of information about the Four Thirds/Micro four Thirds Standard and its origins and evolution on the Four Thirds Organisation website. http://www.four-thirds.org/en/index.html

This also includes details of all the other companies that have joined the standard and all the cameras and lenses available and their specifications.

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The E-M1 Mark 1 had a comprehensive firmware update nearly 2 years ago, adding some attractive new functions (like silent shutter mode) as well as improving some existing ones (improved continuous AF). That update has had some subsequent bug-fixes. The camera is very mature in this respect.

Panasonic and Olympus do cooperate because they both develop for the same Micro Four Thirds platform. Olympus developed the Four Thirds DSLR platform, launched in 2003. Panasonic joined the club and launched its own Four Thirds DSLR (which was also badged as a Leica model) in 2006. This was basically a customised Olympus chassis, though Panasonic produced its own lenses, and still does. In 2008 Panasonic took the lead and launched Micro Four Thirds after gambling that the DSLR was a technological dead end. Panasonic adapted the Four Thirds standard, retaining much of the control electronics protocols and of course the sensor size. This would have required cooperation with Olympus, although Olympus took a whole year to follow Panasonic with their own Micro Four Thirds model. These days the two are fierce competitors, each introducing new features that are not compatible with each other's systems. One example is dual IS, where the lens and the sensor move together to reduce camera shake. Olympus lenses that have this feature can only use dual IS on Olympus bodies and the same goes with Panasonic. You can interchange Panasonic and Olympus lenses on respective brand bodies, but just don't expect some functions to work.

There was a time when Panasonic and Olympus used the same (Panasonic made) sensors, though Panasonic did have some premium versions exclusively. But now both Panasonic and Olympus use Sony sensors in some models.

Panasonic has a big pro and amateur camcorder business and is very experienced in this field so they have been very proactive in video functionality. Variants of their Micro Four Thirds cameras are now widely used for professional broadcast jobs and they have had 4K functionality for several years. Olympus has a better reputation (but not markedly so) for still image quality and functionality and they only introduced 4K video with the E-M1 Mark II last year.

Hope that helps!

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Thank you Ian for clearing that up. Well, I am nearly there with my camera decision. I belong to another camera forum which I visited earlier on today and on checking the archives, the trends are towards Fuji and Sony for CSC. Not much information about Olympus. Here the level of knowledge and support is much higher.

I am split between the EM-1 Mark 1 and the 5 Mark ii. My 1st operation has been delayed until 21 July, so I now have some more time for making a decision, in particular at how both cameras handle BIF, thank you.
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Further to what Ian says you will find a host of information about the Four Thirds/Micro four Thirds Standard and its origins and evolution on the Four Thirds Organisation website. http://www.four-thirds.org/en/index.html

This also includes details of all the other companies that have joined the standard and all the cameras and lenses available and their specifications.

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Good link there Peter, thank you for supplying it. I spent many hours last night trawling through the different sections, fascinating reading
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