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Standard zoom and mid range Lenses with focal lengths larger than 12mm, but no longer than 60mm, includes standard zooms and portrait primes plus some macro lenses.

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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

If you want light weight, consider the 14-42 EZ... It punches well above its weight...

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35276
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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If you want light weight, consider the 14-42 EZ... It punches well above its weight...

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35276
Or else the Olympus m43 12-50 which is a very respectable performer and also splashproof.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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Relating to the statement above that the 12-40 is metallic, yes it is, but only superficially. The internal bulk is plastic, and the metalic lens mount is screwed into the plastic inner body (without inserts to spread the load).
Provided that the design engineering is sound (ref lens mount...) I think that the use of plastic for lens internals shouldn't be deprecated - as with modern plastics they are likely to be more thermally stable than a similar metal component.

That said, I know from experience that Pansonic made 4/3 lens in which the plastic internals are glued - thus making them unrepairable
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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Not exactly.
m4/3 is supposed to be smaller than regular 4/3 which was supposed to be smaller than competitive crop systems and FF.







One cannot just use terms like "little" and "small" out of context.
The terms are relative and you have to compare to what are the other options. And the pictures above really show how small the Zuiko 12-40 is.
I really like my EM5 mk2 with 12-40 and whilst I agree with you on the size advantage over 35mm 'Dslr' I do think the above comparison really is an 'eye-opener' . Yes the 12-40 is still the smaller lens, but look at the 'overall' package.

As I am sure we all know, that Sony has a sensor with a surface area that is 4x larger than M4/3 yet look how similar in physical size they are to each other and the Sony combo is a mere 25g heavier

I am not that keen on the ergonomics of the Sony A7 but one cannot deny they ( Sony ) are really pushing the boundaries big time with their A7 series.

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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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Provided that the design engineering is sound (ref lens mount...) I think that the use of plastic for lens internals shouldn't be deprecated - as with modern plastics they are likely to be more thermally stable than a similar metal component.

That said, I know from experience that Pansonic made 4/3 lens in which the plastic internals are glued - thus making them unrepairable
I wasn't, I was simply pointing out the hybrid construction. In fact I'm quite a fan of engineering polymers, but expected inserts, that's all. The weight of the 12-40 is not insubstantial, the point of this thread I believe, and having it cantilevered from the mount which is screwed directly into plastic, i.e. no inserts moulded-in (eg star shaped inserts would be a good to increase surface area) doesn't seem the best design solution.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

I wouldn't part with mine the quality of the images is superb and I like shooting at 2.8 too.

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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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I really like my EM5 mk2 with 12-40 and whilst I agree with you on the size advantage over 35mm 'Dslr' I do think the above comparison really is an 'eye-opener' . Yes the 12-40 is still the smaller lens, but look at the 'overall' package.

As I am sure we all know, that Sony has a sensor with a surface area that is 4x larger than M4/3 yet look how similar in physical size they are to each other and the Sony combo is a mere 25g heavier

I am not that keen on the ergonomics of the Sony A7 but one cannot deny they ( Sony ) are really pushing the boundaries big time with their A7 series.

Kind regards, Simon
Indeed, SONY did an excellent job to keep the dimensions of A7 really small considering the size of the sensor, even if the ergonomics are far from ideal.

Since we are talking about lenses however, the Zeiss 24-70 F4 OSS which is shown on the A7 picture cannot really be compared to the Zuiko 12-40 f/2.8 as it is quite a mediocre lens, not optically special.

Undoubtedly, a similar to the Zuiko 12-40 lens for the A7 would be much bulkier and heavier.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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Since we are talking about lenses however,
Yes, but a lens is of no use without a body to attach it to......
so as I said, looking at the 'overall' package is quite an eye opener and just 25g heavier too.

I cannot comment on the optical quality of the Zeiss lens as I have not used it, but I have over many years owned many Zeiss lenses for both Contax and Hasselblad and whilst some were better than others none could have been described as 'mediocre'.

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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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Or else the Olympus m43 12-50 which is a very respectable performer and also splashproof.
i watched a video review of this lens, the reviewer seemed at a loss as to how to review it and described it as a 'bit of a dog's dinner'...there were no comparisons.

it's initial reviews weren't good if i remember, it's slow, and i wouldn't use the EZ at all.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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I wouldn't part with mine the quality of the images is superb and I like shooting at 2.8 too.

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agree with the IQ, speed don't bother me though.

my kit is...7.5mm FE, panny 7-14, oly 12-40, 60mm macro and 75-300 mk ll.

it's my 'least' used lens, it's big/heavy, puts the camera out of balance, even with a grip fitted.

i find the balance with the 75-300 fitted is better.

so i'm between a rock and a hard place.

EZ alternatives are not for me, the oly 12-50 is just weird, the opposition falls by the wayside.

sadly this thread just strengthens my initial opinion of the 12-40 and I have to agree with everyone, there aint a viable alternative.
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agree with the IQ, speed don't bother me though.

my kit is...7.5mm FE, panny 7-14, oly 12-40, 60mm macro and 75-300 mk ll.

it's my 'least' used lens, it's big/heavy, puts the camera out of balance, even with a grip fitted.

i find the balance with the 75-300 fitted is better.

so i'm between a rock and a hard place.

EZ alternatives are not for me, the oly 12-50 is just weird, the opposition falls by the wayside.

sadly this thread just strengthens my initial opinion of the 12-40 and I have to agree with everyone, there aint a viable alternative.
Dave,

Given your current lens set either side of the 12-40, would not the considerably smaller Panasonic 12-35 f2.8 be a 'viable alternative' for you?

Also, 'must' it's replacement be a zoom? Again given what you already have the Olympus 25mm F1.8 would be a sensible choice, it's tiny, light and has superb image quality. There is a lot to be said for the 'good old standard 50' ( 35mm terms ), it is however not weather sealed and if that is of greatest importance then of course it will not fulfil your criteria.

I do agree that the 12-40 is quite large, against a similar speed 35mm version it is very small, but for M4/3 I do feel that it is pushing the limits of acceptability for physical size if used as your go-to lens. I find it's handling on the em5 mk2 is 'ok' because I use part 1 of the 2 part grip, without the grip I do not like the balance. However I cannot complain about it's imaging performance, just like life camera/lens combinations are all about compromises and trade offs.

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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

I have long thought there is a gap in the Olympus range that needs filling between the slow, mediocre 12-50mm and the fast, fantastic 12-40mm. It could be another 12-40mm or 14-50mm or even 14-45mm, but it does need to be an f2.8/4 to achieve that all important optimum compromise in terms of speed, quality, size and price.

As things stand and as others have said, that gap is currently filled to some extent by the somewhat smaller Panasonic 12-35mm, although some may have preferred a few more mm at the long end in exchange for a few less at the wide end. Having said that, a full frame equivalent of 24-70mm is very respectable, but it doesn't resolve the issue of needing an f4 zoom to optimise size, weight and especially price.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

I'm having almost the reverse dilemma - I currently have the p20, o25, o45 and o60. I love the p20 for its size and the way it renders - it can hunt but I think I'd keep it.

So I'm thinking about getting rid of the other 3 in favour of the 12-40 or 12-35. Weightwise my bag would lighten a little and it would give me more convenience to zoom rather than swap lenses...

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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

Dave - if you want a high quality std f2.8 zoom that's smaller than 12-40, then get the Panasonic 12-35. Simple.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

Sounds like the way to go. I too feel the 12-50 is a little weird. Maybe something about its length? It is very versatile though (in FL terms and video).
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