Olympus UK E-System User Group
Olympus UK E-System User Group

Join our unique resource for Olympus Four Thirds E-System DSLR and Pen and OM-D Micro Four Thirds photographers. Show your images via our free e-group photo gallery. Please read the e-group.uk.net forum terms and conditions before posting for the first time. Above all, welcome!


Go Back   Olympus UK E-System User Group > Show your photos > Looking for improvement

Looking for improvement This is the e-group critique board. If you post a picture here it will be assumed that you are looking for comprehensive technical feedback - both good and bad, but always respectful. Only post pictures here if you can deal with potentially negative constructive criticism. Anyone is qualified to comment and post feedback, and everyone is encouraged to do so. NB: "Looking for Improvement" is the place to post any pictures you would like advice on improving, no matter how bad you might think they are.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 2nd March 2015
cacheyourdreams cacheyourdreams is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 20
Thanks: 1
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Likes: 2
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Moon

Hi all,

Hoping to take a few pictures of the full moon on the 5th this month (clouds permitting!) so thought I'd take a few practice shots this evening. Not entirely happy so looking for some feedback.

This was shot using the Olympus OM 75-150mm f4, on a 2x Hoya OM teleconverter.

150 (x2) mm
F/11
1/15 second
ISO 200



Any suggestions for improvements? One thing I just noticed looking at the exif is I left IS turned on, will have to remember to shut that off in future!

Last edited by cacheyourdreams; 2nd March 2015 at 08:04 PM. Reason: embedding image now that I have enough posts to do so
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 2nd March 2015
Phill D's Avatar
Phill D Phill D is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 8,382
Thanks: 971
Thanked 1,217 Times in 1,134 Posts
Likes: 677
Liked 1,673 Times in 835 Posts
Re: Moon

You don't say if you were using a tripod or not but if you were then yes turn IS off. If it was me I'd also open the aperture quite a bit more probably even to f5.6 and see where that got you in terms of increasing your shutter speed.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 2nd March 2015
tomphotofx's Avatar
tomphotofx tomphotofx is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Bexleyheath UK
Posts: 2,545
Thanks: 262
Thanked 545 Times in 481 Posts
Likes: 408
Liked 295 Times in 147 Posts
Re: Moon

What Phil said f5.6 good place to start.

Tom
__________________
"Who is watching the Watchers, watching the Watchers watching us"

Its not what you see, it's the way that you see it"

Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/photofxstudios
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 2nd March 2015
Zuiko's Avatar
Zuiko Zuiko is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dunmow, Essex
Posts: 21,014
Thanks: 1,907
Thanked 2,983 Times in 2,320 Posts
Likes: 2,954
Liked 3,991 Times in 1,882 Posts
Re: Moon

Quote:
Originally Posted by cacheyourdreams View Post
Hi all,

Hoping to take a few pictures of the full moon on the 5th this month (clouds permitting!) so thought I'd take a few practice shots this evening. Not entirely happy so looking for some feedback.

This was shot using the Olympus OM 75-150mm f4, on a 2x Hoya OM teleconverter.

150 (x2) mm
F/11
1/15 second
ISO 200

e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/81027/

Any suggestions for improvements? One thing I just noticed looking at the exif is I left IS turned on, will have to remember to shut that off in future!
Several things were against you. The 75-150mm was not the sharpest lens Olympus made and although it is still fine for most purposes, using it with a x2 converter is likely to reveal its deficiencies. There's not much you can do about that, you can only use the equipment you have. However, as others have said, you might help it perform a little better if you open the aperture to f5.6. F11 is really f22 when using a x2 converter, which is deep within diffraction territory with MFT and the lens would be unlikely to perform at its best even on its native 35mm format. Try it at f8, too.

The other thing I notice is that you was using a shutter speed of 1/15th, which is too slow to prevent a little movement of the moon. I would go for at least 1/125th even if it means using a higher ISO. Good luck.
__________________
John

"A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there ó even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 2nd March 2015
cacheyourdreams cacheyourdreams is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 20
Thanks: 1
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Likes: 2
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Moon

Thanks for the suggestions, I look forward to trying them out over the next couple of days. Useful to know about the aperture. Also one of the things I was particularly curious about was just how important a fast shutter speed was, so thanks for mentioning that Zuiko and Phill.

Commenting on the 75-150mm lens, I'm aware of some of the criticisms against it, but it is one of those lens I've somewhat fallen in love with. I agree probably not ideal for this task, but as you say you make do with what you've got.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 2nd March 2015
Zuiko's Avatar
Zuiko Zuiko is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dunmow, Essex
Posts: 21,014
Thanks: 1,907
Thanked 2,983 Times in 2,320 Posts
Likes: 2,954
Liked 3,991 Times in 1,882 Posts
Re: Moon

Quote:
Originally Posted by cacheyourdreams View Post
Thanks for the suggestions, I look forward to trying them out over the next couple of days. Useful to know about the aperture. Also one of the things I was particularly curious about was just how important a fast shutter speed was, so thanks for mentioning that Zuiko and Phill.

Commenting on the 75-150mm lens, I'm aware of some of the criticisms against it, but it is one of those lens I've somewhat fallen in love with. I agree probably not ideal for this task, but as you say you make do with what you've got.
I had a 75-150mm myself many, many years ago and despite its limitations I still took one of my all time favourite pictures with it.
__________________
John

"A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there ó even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 2nd March 2015
drmarkf's Avatar
drmarkf drmarkf is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 4,443
Thanks: 284
Thanked 409 Times in 343 Posts
Likes: 1,512
Liked 1,044 Times in 586 Posts
Re: Moon

Yes, for years I lusted after a 70-150 f4 but never in fact owned one.

Either of the 135 primes (f3.5 or 2.8) or the 200s (f5 and f4) would be better - the 135 f3.5 is ridiculously cheap nowadays if you can find one in good nick, and I loved using it back in the day.
__________________
Regards,
Mark

------------------------------
http://www.microcontrast.com
Too much Oly gear.
Panasonic 12-35, 15. Samyang 7.5 fisheye. Laowa 7.5.
Assorted legacy lenses, plus a Fuji X70.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 2nd March 2015
cacheyourdreams cacheyourdreams is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 20
Thanks: 1
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Likes: 2
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Moon

Quote:
Originally Posted by drmarkf View Post
Yes, for years I lusted after a 70-150 f4 but never in fact owned one.

Either of the 135 primes (f3.5 or 2.8) or the 200s (f5 and f4) would be better - the 135 f3.5 is ridiculously cheap nowadays if you can find one in good nick, and I loved using it back in the day.
Thanks, I shall keep an eye out for them. And never too late for you to get a 75-150mm, they're dirt cheap these days.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 2nd March 2015
PeterBirder's Avatar
PeterBirder PeterBirder is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: BRAINTREE ESSEX
Posts: 5,950
Thanks: 1,760
Thanked 1,024 Times in 854 Posts
Likes: 1,922
Liked 797 Times in 466 Posts
Re: Moon

You may find this article on moon photography by Wrotniak ( an E-System guru) useful.

http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/moon/index.html

Regards.
__________________
Peter

she looked at me and said "It's official. I hate your camera. It's just so amazing and perfect I want one!"

E-M10 MK II, E-M5, E-PL1, E-PM2, mZ 12-50, mZ 14-42mm EZ, mZ 17mm f 1.8, mZ 25mm f1.8, mZ 45mm f1.8, mZ 75-300mm II.
OM1n, OM 50mm f1.8.
Oly Viewer3, Dxo Pro 11. FastStone.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 2nd March 2015
drmarkf's Avatar
drmarkf drmarkf is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 4,443
Thanks: 284
Thanked 409 Times in 343 Posts
Likes: 1,512
Liked 1,044 Times in 586 Posts
Re: Moon

Quote:
Originally Posted by cacheyourdreams View Post
Thanks, I shall keep an eye out for them. And never too late for you to get a 75-150mm, they're dirt cheap these days.
I've got too many OM Zuikos already! I do enjoy using them, though.
__________________
Regards,
Mark

------------------------------
http://www.microcontrast.com
Too much Oly gear.
Panasonic 12-35, 15. Samyang 7.5 fisheye. Laowa 7.5.
Assorted legacy lenses, plus a Fuji X70.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Liked This Post:
cacheyourdreams (13th December 2015)
  #11  
Old 2nd March 2015
cacheyourdreams cacheyourdreams is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 20
Thanks: 1
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Likes: 2
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Moon

Had another shot this evening (with a different OM lens) much happier with the result this time. Still managed to leave IS on!

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 2nd March 2015
David M's Avatar
David M David M is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: A Brit now living in Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 6,600
Thanks: 39
Thanked 677 Times in 639 Posts
Likes: 254
Liked 1,292 Times in 789 Posts
Re: Moon

I never used an OM or OM fit third party zoom worth keeping. If you need 300mm there's a lot of legacy, manual focus prime options out there both faster and better optically.
__________________
It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

The Grumpy Snapper blog or follow me on Instagram.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 3rd March 2015
drmarkf's Avatar
drmarkf drmarkf is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 4,443
Thanks: 284
Thanked 409 Times in 343 Posts
Likes: 1,512
Liked 1,044 Times in 586 Posts
Re: Moon

Quote:
Originally Posted by David M View Post
I never used an OM or OM fit third party zoom worth keeping. If you need 300mm there's a lot of legacy, manual focus prime options out there both faster and better optically.
The 300mm f4.5 OM Zuiko being a case in point. As long as I stick to middling f stops I find the results very nice: my copy looks and feels almost as good as new, with lovely smooth focusing.
__________________
Regards,
Mark

------------------------------
http://www.microcontrast.com
Too much Oly gear.
Panasonic 12-35, 15. Samyang 7.5 fisheye. Laowa 7.5.
Assorted legacy lenses, plus a Fuji X70.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 3rd March 2015
David M's Avatar
David M David M is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: A Brit now living in Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 6,600
Thanks: 39
Thanked 677 Times in 639 Posts
Likes: 254
Liked 1,292 Times in 789 Posts
Re: Moon

My copy would give a lot of people on here nightmares. The back portion of the tripod foot was cut off with a hacksaw to make room for a blimp. It's banged up and has fungus in it but it's still usable.

There was multiple versions of the 300mm f/4.5 Nikkors. Some with IF, others with ED glass, one with both IIRC.
__________________
It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

The Grumpy Snapper blog or follow me on Instagram.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 3rd March 2015
alfbranch's Avatar
alfbranch alfbranch is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Whitehaven Cumbria
Posts: 6,234
Thanks: 1,482
Thanked 755 Times in 717 Posts
Likes: 1,005
Liked 2,241 Times in 813 Posts
Re: Moon

Was this in focus?
__________________
OMD E-M1 OMD E-M5II MMF3 12-40 pro 12-50 EZ 14-42 EZ 9-18 f4.0 -5.6 40 -150f4-f5.6 R 60mm f2.8 macro Sigma 105 f2.8 macro Holga 60mm plastic Holga pinhole lens lens and a XZ-1 Olympus - 35 SP Trip 35 Pen EEs OM2sp

I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sun and moon cariadus Foto Fair 7 23rd September 2013 10:49 PM
That Moon Again! Ross the fiddler Foto Fair 11 22nd July 2013 03:14 PM
Moon tycoon1954 Foto Fair 0 18th October 2011 07:14 PM
Red moon Shaw Foto Fair 2 17th June 2011 09:08 PM
Moon bazza2764 Foto Fair 9 13th February 2011 07:59 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:54 PM.


© The Write Technology Ltd, 2007-2018, All rights reservedAd Management plugin by RedTyger