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Kodak Ektachrome 100 Revival

According to an announcement made at CES yesterday Kodak Ektachrome 100 slide film is to be reintroduced later this year, but only in 35 mm.



This is welcome news after Fuji announced that is would discontinue Velvia 100F, certain sizes of Velvia 50 and several colour negative emulsions, but we are not out of the woods yet.

Oddly enough, I was speaking to a Dutch photographer recently who specialises in B&W portraiture exclusively using a Mamiya RZ67.

He says that younger customers are 'blown away' by the quality and concept of the large film format, and they will happily pay more for this service.
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According to an announcement made at CES yesterday Kodak Ektachrome 100 slide film is to be reintroduced later this year, but only in 35 mm.



This is welcome news after Fuji announced that is would discontinue Velvia 100F, certain sizes of Velvia 50 and several colour negative emulsions, but we are not out of the woods yet.

Oddly enough, I was speaking to a Dutch photographer recently who specialises in B&W portraiture exclusively using a Mamiya RZ67.

He says that younger customers are 'blown away' by the quality and concept of the large film format, and they will happily pay more for this service.
Good to see, hopefully they will release it in 120 format in the not too distant future too. If they do I will definitely be purchasing it.

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Re: Kodak Ektachrome 100 Revival

Good news, but it's a shame it's not Kodachrome!
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Re: Kodak Ektachrome 100 Revival

I've got a nice OM1 outfit now with a 24, 50 and 100mm lens kit. I've found some old Patterson tank gear and have a few bottles of chemicals - but I'm still dragging my heels to get out and use it. Digital is just so much more convenient!
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- but I'm still dragging my heels to get out and use it. Digital is just so much more convenient!
True Paul, but I know you want too use that om1. In the words of a famous trainer ( sneaker ) manufacturer ........ 'Just do it' ....... even if its just once in a blue moon

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Good news, but it's a shame it's not Kodachrome!
True John,

Nothing quite compared to Kodachrome.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ory-close.html

AG photo lab can still develop Kodachrome if you have some undeveloped film ... but only as 'black & white' .

http://www.ag-photolab.co.uk/kodachr...sing-122-c.asp


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Good news, but it's a shame it's not Kodachrome!
My thoughts exactly. I usually shot one of the Fujichromes in preference to any of the Ektachromes. The only Ektachrome I used any amount of was 200 in the early 80's for night time endurance racing and rallying.
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Re: Kodak Ektachrome 100 Revival

Just came across this .........

http://petapixel.com/2012/07/17/shoo...-film-in-2012/

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Re: Kodak Ektachrome 100 Revival

I've been going through my old 35mm colour slides and negatives and scanning them. Although they were taken with competent SLRs, they're not a patch on my E5 images. I can understand the colour changes with time, but the resolution is generally disappointing.

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I've been going through my old 35mm colour slides and negatives and scanning them. Although they were taken with competent SLRs, they're not a patch on my E5 images. I can understand the colour changes with time, but the resolution is generally disappointing.

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Yes, exactly my experience... Plus old Ektachrome seems to gradually fade away.

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Re: Kodak Ektachrome 100 Revival

We're living in paradise with the quality of digital sensors and modern optics. I scanned some old negs taken with my Cabin EOS 50 a while back and resolution is miles away from any digital camera I've used.
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Yes, exactly my experience... Plus old Ektachrome seems to gradually fade away.

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Well in accordance with the second law, S always increases over time, so what more should we expect. And if your bet is on digital having immunity, think again!
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Yes, exactly my experience... Plus old Ektachrome seems to gradually fade away.

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One reason agencies prefered Kodachrome over Ektachrome. Much more stable when left on an editors light table for days.
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Re: Kodak Ektachrome 100 Revival

Anyone ever use Agfa? Funny stuff - the reds always seemed to pop out of the trani as if in 3D
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That is an interesting observation Jim, and one that I would agree with.

Nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be, and I for one don't think 35 mm film was ever quite as good as we like to think it was.

True we could enlarge 100 ASA 35 mm colour negatives to 16 x 12 (about A3 size), or even 16 x 20 at a push with reasonable quality, but that is not quite the same as examining film grain from a high resolution film scanner on a decent sized computer monitor.

I also find that modern film scanners with LED light sources somehow emphasize film grain in a way that older scanners with cold cathode lamps didn't.

With regards to resolution, if you look closely at pre-digital enlargements from film they simply don't have the fine detail that we expect nowadays.

Nikon once published a paper (around the time the E1 was launched) in which they said a 35 mm colour negative could yield a maximum of about 5 MP of useful information, whilst transparencies could yield roughly double that amount. It may well be possible to scan films at resolutions of 5,400 DPI (in the case of the Minolta Dimage 5400), but at that resolution much of the information will be film grain, and grain clusters, rather than useful detail.

In my view you need to be shooting medium format transparencies before you can beat the resolution and detail of recent digital cameras, including the E5.

However, there is something rather more graceful about the way film enlarges than digital; possibly because there is not as much fine detail in the first place. Contrast and saturation also tends to be lower from film. For me this is akin to listening to a good vinyl LP amplified through valves and first rate loudspeakers, rather than listening to an iPod and headphones. The digital source may be better on paper, and 'cleaner', but vinyl beats it hands down for sheer listening pleasure every time.

I rarely use colour film in my OM cameras these days, but rather use them with slow B&W films. There simply isn't much point in using them for colour, and especially colour negatives as the EM5 is so much better and more convenient.

Medium format transparencies, on the other hand, are a different matter, but for how long?
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