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Re: Kodak Ektachrome 100 Revival
All true Nigel, but have a look at 'Early Color' by Saul Leiter. He experimented with out of date and even heat damaged film to produce the effects he was after. I'm not sure digital could match the magic he produced, for one thing it would look too clinical, too sharp.
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Naughty Nigel (8th January 2017) |
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It's possible Nigel that what you're seeing is not the film grain with high resolution scans. You may be seeing an issue with the film base. Google Fuji pepper grain for more info. I remember prolonged discussions online about the problem when film scanners got good enough for a photographer to submit scans to their clients/editors. I'm finding some affected shots having coped 1600+ slides last winter.
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I have found that Kodak colour negative films create the worst effects, but I have seen similar problems with Fuji transparencies as well. I have sometimes suspected the processing methods used. Film scanners with LED light sources definitely accentuate film grain, in a way that traditional enlargers never did. I wonder whether wet film carriers improve matters?
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![]() As you say, the reds did pop out in trannies just as they did in Agfacolor Optima 400, which unfortunately I was forced to use in my Nikon F4s on a US wedding in 2005 as Fuji Pro 400H was unavailable at Walgreens. Agfa Portrait would have been fine but also not stocked. I was however partial to Agfa Ultra 100 that I used exclusively on our 1990 UK trip - it predated ICE for psychedelic effects. ![]() Sandra - just outside our lodgings ... ![]() ![]() ![]() Rather he than me ![]() AGFA ULTRA / Pentax-A
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Now you say about wet scanning it reminded me about an article online about someone modifying a flatbed scanner to do wet scanning. My problem with wet scanning is cleaning the film afterwards. I've had trannys back from publishers in disgusting condition after wet scanning.
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Naughty Nigel (8th January 2017) |
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As I understand it the wet scanning process is supposed to be a one time operation for archival purposes. The idea is that the film is wet scanned at high resolution providing optimum image quality, but the film is effectively scrap afterwards. This may explain the condition that your films were returned in. I have a glass film carrier for my Nikon film scanner, but wouldn't want to risk gel inside it! ![]()
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Edit. IIRC, the fluid used was mineral oil.
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I've been playing with slide copying using my E-M5 and an OM Zuiko 50mm f3.5 macro lens, and a white LED panel with diffuser as the light source. I originally rigged that up as my old Nikon Coolscan IV was kaput and my Epson 4990 flatbed (also a diffuse light source) didn't produce good results from 35mm slides. Having found some servicing info on the web last week I've managed to sort out the scanner hardware problem (a dusty mirror!) and got it running on Windows 10. Film grain and dust are much more noticeable on the scanned images, and actually, the image is quite a bit more detailed than from my E-M5 slide copier rig despite the scanner's lower resolution. Maybe I should hire a 60mm m43 macro lens from Ian and see how that compares as I'm guessing it's a better performer than the 50mm Zuiko. The scanner takes a minute or two to scan a 35mm slide whereas the E-M5 does it in 1/13 second which is a useful time saver ![]()
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Naughty Nigel (10th January 2017) |
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What are the benefits of using film?
I can think of some of the negatives, such as the cost and labour of processing/digitising, and the cost of buying a good scanner. It's reassuring to see Ektachrome making a return, but in the long term I suspect film will die out. Cost will be a big driver for most. |
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Jim Ford (10th January 2017) |
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The only benefit I can think of in using film is that it makes you stop and think before pressing the button - simply because of the cost! I don't think there's any other reason to use 35mm colour film at least as modern digital cameras are better in almost every respect.
Black and white is a different matter though, in my opinion no inkjet print can match a fine silver print made in the darkroom. It's getting better but it's not there yet I don't think.
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However film is still superior to digital in medium and large formats, (I am thinking 6 x 7 upwards), and is still used by professionals for demanding clients. Only this week I was talking to a pro (via FB) about a commission he has from one of the big cosmetics companies, who expect 6 x 7 transparencies.
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Ricoh (10th January 2017) |
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Just thinking about the comparison. Quill Pens and Parchment did seem to produce a product with an everlasting / more individualistic / result.
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Regarding B&W, the ability to expose for the shadows and to let the highlights take care of themselves is quite a benefit I believe. For street photography when someone asks to see what you've just taken, I can see a benefit by being able to say sorry mate, film. Give them a business card and move on. |
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However, by the time digital came along many wedding togs were using 35 mm to save cost; but rather than taking 36 or 48 well composed shots they were using their cameras like machine guns, so the bar was actually set very low when it came to digital quality.
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