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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
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The UK is the 5th or 6th largest market in the world how is that small? EU actually makes up 43% of our trade and falling. Also, trade won't stop when we leave, the EU does trade with China, US, and many other non members why would they stop trading with us? I agree with your last point if you remove the word probably. |
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Also, they should never have been in the Euro. It's a complex story - have a read of Adults In The Room by the Greek ex-finance minister at the heart of the discussions, Yanis Varoufakis, a fantastic real tale of how these things operate. It made me realise just how f*cked we are dealing with IMF, China, EU, USA.
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I opened this thread, as reading the two provided links plus the others contained within, had left me none the wiser. I am just as much in the dark, or confused as I was in the run up to the referendum vote. Yes, I am a wrinkly, and again, yes I didn’t vote. I had had enough of the military style of cooking. When it's burnt it's cooked. I left my comfort blanket behind when I found there was a superior cuisine alsewhere. After all this time, and with the ongoing shenanigans I am still none the wiser but have now had enough of this enforced FOSKID diet... the prime reason I never voted. Read into that what you will.
I liked Jim’s analogy of ducking out of buying the round of drinks in the pub. In many ways, it hits the spot. However, during the pub crawl, what if your round was where most, if not all of the others decided to go for a more expensive bevy? Here is another take: Two countries are in the final for the World Cup. Wales and Ireland, after extra time and two sets of penalties were knocked out in the semi’s. The remaining two UK teams go through the same scenario. Bottom line is that one team lost and one team won. Take on board Jim’s scenario and add it to the above and it all seems to sound very similar to our current situation. The ordinary man /woman / supporter in the street may be well and truly pssst off with the result. In this case, one way or another we all lost. However It doesn’t help or change the result just because the big punters argue over the final result because their favourite team didn’t get the result they put their money on to win. I’ve often thought that when it comes to international football, having four teams competing against each other, considerably lessened our chance of taking home the big prize which is exactly where we stand today. Given what we have and where we stand in the current situation, three things come to mind. United, we stand… divided we fall; It’s easier to jump ship rather than stay and bail out the water to stay afloat. The other is from a song, ‘Bring on the clowns’. Seems to me we are doing all three in grand style. Finally, irrespective of the politics… it is all about money. ![]() A bunch of politicians walk into a bar. As one voice, they all shout OUCH! Serves the tossers right as they should have watched where they were going. ![]()
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![]() I cannot help but feel that if Greece, Spain, Italy or any other economic basket case country had wanted to leave the EU their path would have been made very much smoother; and they would probably have received a large golden handshake too.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
As much as I would like us to remain within the EU Customs Union, if our government (of either party) were to do a U-Turn now, or call another referendum, politics in the UK would be dead in the water, and it would take many years for the electorate to have any faith in the democratic process; if ever.
I also believe there would also be a very real risk of civil unrest and mob rule whichever way the new referendum went; and far too few police to deal with it.
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The reason that it is falling as a proportion of the whole is that the U.K. is successfully and significantly increasing its international trade with countries such as China, the US and South Korea. So, it is doing this while ‘shackled by the constraints of EU membership’ as Brexit supporters love to claim. So this claim is demonstrably rubbish.
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I'm obviously missing something here, if you have a trade deficit then surely less trade is better ![]()
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![]() @ Jim F... has he plagiarised your comment or is the cheque still in the post? ![]()
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The Spanish did the same, to a lesser extent; and, as with Greece, it's come back to bite them. John D mentioned Varoufakis; in his book "The Global Minotaur", he said that big US corporations offered the Greeks banking mechanisms - he called them 'tools', IIRC - that allowed them to hide their debt from EU institutions like the ECB. Effectively they were given big loans from these American outfits, which of course needed paying back later. On top of those, they needed ECB loans when it all went wrong; and it went wrong when the US corporations wanted repaying. As they were bound to. The EU and EC are too trusting; they expect member states to be honest with them, and don't appear to have a way of handling dishonesty. The Greeks created an illusion to fool the EU; Leavers are also creating an illusion. The only way that illusion can be dispelled is to properly evaluate ALL the issues, and present them honestly to the electorate, and then have a second referendum where ALL the electorate is required to vote. Then we might - MIGHT - reduce the profound division that it has opened up in the country. But I think the likelihood of crashing out is rather greater! |
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If in a second election the majority also vote to leave do we then have a third. Best out of five. That seems to be the norm for the EU, (Ireland for a recent example) We had a democratic vote and almost two years later the government still haven't really started taking the steps necessary to leave. Any attempt to ignore this vote will destroy the electorates faith in democracy and who knows what would happen. I am certain it would not be pretty. Soros and his minions are throwing everything they can to delay and even stop Brexit. Think we should just walk away and see what the EU then does. We need someone with some backbone to take us forward. Not sure May is up to it she just seeks compromise after compromise. |
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
There's mention of a 2nd referendum. I'm ok with that, but are two referenda sufficient? If the outcome is reversed it becomes a draw. Do we have a penalty shoot out, toss a coin or hold a third referendum?
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