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Zuiko 21st March 2017 10:31 PM

New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Okay, it’s time to try a different type of Monthly Photo Challenge and see how it goes. Don’t worry if you don’t like it or it seems not to be working too well, nothing is set in stone and the format can easily be changed or refined. Your feedback will be welcome, but please do give it a chance.

The idea is to have a new theme every month, from January to December, with the themes published in advance. These will be set by admin, but suggestions will be invited. Obviously we are already near the end of March so for 2017 only the competition will run for 9 months, from April to December. During the next few days I will get the April Challenge underway by starting a separate thread and setting the theme. However, ideas for the following 8 months will be most welcome and I encourage you to post your suggestions here. Please do repeat suggestions that have already been made, as the most popular will take priority.

Entrants may post one picture for each round (I may consider increasing this in the future but let’s see how things go) and all members will be encouraged to vote for the picture they think deserves to win by using the ‘Like’ button. All members are entitled to vote, regardless of whether they have entered the competition. Only one vote per person, please, so it will pay to delay placing your vote until all entries have been received. If you change your mind, simply remove your ‘Like’ and allocate it to another entry. I propose a two week voting period at the end of each round, although this is subject to change. The winner of each round will simply be the entry that received the most votes. 2nd and 3rd places will be decided in the same manner.

1st, 2nd and 3rd places will be awarded 3, 2 and 1 points respectively to carry forward to the year end and the member with the most points will be crowned E-System User Photographer of the Year.

I look forward to your comments and suggested themes for the competition.

pdk42 21st March 2017 10:57 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Great idea John. Looking forward to it!

Graham_of_Rainham 21st March 2017 11:44 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
We don't see many "Action" shots.

Food photography is quite difficult, and not to many people's "taste"... ;)

Self portraits are a big challenge, and can really test people's skills.

A true "abstract" image, that cannot be readily identified requires good observation and composition.

High speed photography is well within the capability of all Olympus cameras, so should be considered.

Of course the "standard" styles of images provide an interest for more people and this should be the basis on which to develop the competition as it progresses.

Well done John for getting this going.

*chr

Zuiko 22nd March 2017 12:48 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
I have decided to announce the theme for April now, to allow time for those who wish to shoot a new picture for the challenge to start planning. I will create a thread for entries on 1st April and the last date for submission will be Sunday 30th April. There will then be a two week period for members to vote for their favourite and this is for all members, not just those who entered the competition.

The theme for April is: Planes, Trains and Automobiles

In fact, any type of transport - it could be a picture of a queue of people waiting at a bus stop rather than the bus itself, for example. Creative interpretation is encouraged!

I decided to start with a bit of a cliché, a familiar subject to which everyone has easy access.

MJ224 22nd March 2017 08:44 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
I support the proposals whole heartedly. Great stuff, and good to see we/Admin has got the challenge well gripped.

Look forward to some interesting subjects and submissions...........

Mj*chr

Bikie John 22nd March 2017 09:52 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Well done John and thanks for picking it up and taking it forward in a positive way. I hope it gets a good response.

Other John

Gwyver 22nd March 2017 11:05 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Good idea John - but perhaps you need to add a couple of constraints:-
  1. The image must be taken with an Olympus 'E' digital camera - i.e. 4/3 or m4/3.
  2. The image should have been taken within 6 months of the last date for submission - to prevent 'recycling' of old favourite images.

Walti 22nd March 2017 03:55 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwyver (Post 409339)
Good idea John - but perhaps you need to add a couple of constraints:-
  1. The image must be taken with an Olympus 'E' digital camera - i.e. 4/3 or m4/3.
  2. The image should have been taken within 6 months of the last date for submission - to prevent 'recycling' of old favourite images.

I've been deliberately taking photos for the challenges to push myself a little - I would encourage others to do the same!

Zuiko 22nd March 2017 04:15 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwyver (Post 409339)
Good idea John - but perhaps you need to add a couple of constraints:-
  1. The image must be taken with an Olympus 'E' digital camera - i.e. 4/3 or m4/3.
  2. The image should have been taken within 6 months of the last date for submission - to prevent 'recycling' of old favourite images.

Yes, all entries will need to have been taken using an E-System camera or a Panasonic camera using an E-System (Zuiko) lens. I'm also inclined to allow XZ-1 and XZ-2 compacts.

I'm still not sure about limiting entries to those taken recently, after all a major reason for revamping the competition is the falling numbers of entries and the fewer constraints the better. However, this is a worthy aspiration provided it doesn't have a negative impact upon the number of entries. I might introduce it next year, when hopefully we will have solved any teething problems with the new format and the list of themes for the whole year is published in advance. Then it would make sense to specify that entries must be taken within a year, to match the period of notice given.

OM USer 22nd March 2017 06:18 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
John, thank you for taking the time to look into this and come up with a working proposal. Lets see how it goes.

iso 22nd March 2017 07:37 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
QUOTE ::1st, 2nd and 3rd places will be awarded 3, 2 and 1 points respectively to carry forward to the year end and the member with the most points will be crowned E-System User Photographer of the Year.

Another great dis-incentive for people who want to participate, but maybe would like to dip in and out depending on the subject matter, or their access to the particular topic.

Surely allowing shots of over say 2 months age, will encourage people, (quite naturally), to submit their best work in order to achieve '''E user of the Year'''.

BUT you have to sort out the bit about making it simple to submit pics. THE Button.....

Mrs T 22nd March 2017 08:14 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Seems like a good place to start.

MJ224 22nd March 2017 08:39 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iso (Post 409383)
QUOTE ::1st, 2nd and 3rd places will be awarded 3, 2 and 1 points respectively to carry forward to the year end and the member with the most points will be crowned E-System User Photographer of the Year.

Surely allowing shots of over say 2 months age, will encourage people, (quite naturally), to submit their best work in order to achieve '''E user of the Year'''.

BUT you have to sort out the bit about making it simple to submit pics. THE Button.....

Sorry Iso to disagree with you again.......

I think the "Monthly" challenge needs to be just that, or punters will/might just loose interest if there is "result" within a meaningful amount of time. (Bit like the last one!)

But that's just my Humble Opinion *chr

David M 22nd March 2017 09:53 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwyver (Post 409339)
Good idea John - but perhaps you need to add a couple of constraints:-
  1. The image must be taken with an Olympus 'E' digital camera - i.e. 4/3 or m4/3.
  2. The image should have been taken within 6 months of the last date for submission - to prevent 'recycling' of old favourite images.

If you have an EXIF editor you can make a 30 year old film image meet those criteria.

MJ224 22nd March 2017 10:00 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Would film have exif data???

:confused:

MJ224 22nd March 2017 10:02 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Re using the gallery to upload from, maybe I should eat humble pie......

Its straightforward enough to copy one image from there, but a PITA to copy several.........

:mad::mad:

Flickr is the same as you have to keep swapping one page to another

Zuiko 22nd March 2017 10:11 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iso (Post 409383)
QUOTE ::1st, 2nd and 3rd places will be awarded 3, 2 and 1 points respectively to carry forward to the year end and the member with the most points will be crowned E-System User Photographer of the Year.

Another great dis-incentive for people who want to participate, but maybe would like to dip in and out depending on the subject matter, or their access to the particular topic.

Surely allowing shots of over say 2 months age, will encourage people, (quite naturally), to submit their best work in order to achieve '''E user of the Year'''.

BUT you have to sort out the bit about making it simple to submit pics. THE Button.....

I'm afraid I don't have the ability to change how pictures are uploaded, I'm just doing what I can to hopefully make the competition better.

alfbranch 23rd March 2017 12:01 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 409403)
Would film have exif data???

:confused:

Of course it does:p



Well it does when its scanned.

alfbranch 23rd March 2017 12:02 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuiko (Post 409301)
the member with the most points will be crowned E-System User Photographer of the Year.

That seems like a good idea.

MJ224 23rd March 2017 12:43 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alfbranch (Post 409413)
Of course it does:p



Well it does when its scanned.

Some scanner...:o

*chr

AMc 23rd March 2017 09:29 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
You can edit and add EXIF data for any old JPG if you're a cheat. But then you could enter someone else's image too for that matter. As the prize is just kudos I don't think there's any point worrying about it.

As a side I tried to enter a picture in the MyOlympus competition running at the moment. I'd straightened the image in GIMP and it was automagically rejected by their system as it wasn't taken on an Olympus camera - which the EXIF clearly shows it was. So I reprocessed it in Lightroom and got the same result.
I then discovered there is no arbitrary angle image rotate in OV3 (that I could find) so I couldn't enter it at all :)

FWIW I would prefer a limit of images taken within the period of the competition to discourage scouring the back catalogue which favours those with long histories and doesn't encourage anyone to go out and take more images.
I'd prefer the next theme to be chosen by the winner of the previous round to encourage us to respond to the brief rather than plan months in advance but I'm more than happy to go with the current format and see where we end up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuiko (Post 409405)
I'm just doing what I can to hopefully make the competition better.

I'd like to thank you for taking the time and effort to ask for opinions and try to refresh the competition!

Zuiko 23rd March 2017 09:55 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AMc (Post 409425)
You can edit and add EXIF data for any old JPG if you're a cheat. But then you could enter someone else's image too for that matter. As the prize is just kudos I don't think there's any point worrying about it.

As a side I tried to enter a picture in the MyOlympus competition running at the moment. I'd straightened the image in GIMP and it was automagically rejected by their system as it wasn't taken on an Olympus camera - which the EXIF clearly shows it was. So I reprocessed it in Lightroom and got the same result.
I then discovered there is no arbitrary angle image rotate in OV3 (that I could find) so I couldn't enter it at all :)

FWIW I would prefer a limit of images taken within the period of the competition to discourage scouring the back catalogue which favours those with long histories and doesn't encourage anyone to go out and take more images.
I'd prefer the next theme to be chosen by the winner of the previous round to encourage us to respond to the brief rather than plan months in advance but I'm more than happy to go with the current format and see where we end up.


I'd like to thank you for taking the time and effort to ask for opinions and try to refresh the competition!

I certainly appreciate the value of encouraging members to shoot fresh images for the competition but at this stage it is likely to limit the number of entries so I'm inclined to delay its introduction until the new format has had a chance to bed in.

I was personally very happy with the system of the winner of the round setting the theme for the next, but it has been pointed out that this responsibility may put people off entering the competition. Inviting suggestion for future themes is a compromise that I am willing to try. :)

Ricoh 23rd March 2017 11:29 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Is this the thread to post this month's images 'on the busses etc' ? Not seeing many images yet. However, I actually have a shot that fits the challenge, and by some strange quirk it was taken with Olympus stuff. But it's an old shot, maybe 3 years ago when I froze time. Thinking about it, I'm not sure if time from capture to display is important, surely it's the image that counts. In fact if you read about editing, photographers are encouraged to allow their images to marinate for some time to ensure the emotion of the event has long dissipated. Editing and posting too soon can lead to a photographer making a bad choice by thinking the image is worthy of public display, when in fact it is a poor or mediocre capture better suited to the waste basket, never to be shown the light of day. It's probably best to leave one's snaps for a year at least, and with the passage of time make a cold detached judgement whether the snap is worthy of public display.

AMc 23rd March 2017 01:00 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuiko (Post 409430)
I was personally very happy with the system of the winner of the round setting the theme for the next, but it has been pointed out that this responsibility may put people off entering the competition. Inviting suggestion for future themes is a compromise that I am willing to try. :)

I mentioned I didn't want to judge the following round. I wouldn't mind picking the subject if I won (as that's not very likely ;) ) perhaps I missed other posts.
All good nonetheless!

Zuiko 23rd March 2017 03:21 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 409443)
Is this the thread to post this month's images 'on the busses etc' ? Not seeing many images yet. However, I actually have a shot that fits the challenge, and by some strange quirk it was taken with Olympus stuff. But it's an old shot, maybe 3 years ago when I froze time. Thinking about it, I'm not sure if time from capture to display is important, surely it's the image that counts. In fact if you read about editing, photographers are encouraged to allow their images to marinate for some time to ensure the emotion of the event has long dissipated. Editing and posting too soon can lead to a photographer making a bad choice by thinking the image is worthy of public display, when in fact it is a poor or mediocre capture better suited to the waste basket, never to be shown the light of day. It's probably best to leave one's snaps for a year at least, and with the passage of time make a cold detached judgement whether the snap is worthy of public display.

Steve, the new competition will start in April, with the theme of Planes, Trains and Automobiles that I announced yesterday. I will start a new thread on 1st April in which entries can be posted. :)

iso 23rd March 2017 06:44 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 409392)
Sorry Iso to disagree with you again.......

I think the "Monthly" challenge needs to be just that, or punters will/might just loose interest if there is "result" within a meaningful amount of time. (Bit like the last one!)

But that's just my Humble Opinion *chr

Mark I can't work out if you are in favour of the yearly accumulated points system, or like me, against it because it would tend to discourage the occasional newbie entrant :confused:

Zuiko 23rd March 2017 07:39 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iso (Post 409481)
Mark I can't work out if you are in favour of the yearly accumulated points system, or like me, against it because it would tend to discourage the occasional newbie entrant :confused:

I don't see why the yearly points system should deter people from entering the monthly challenge on an occasional basis; each monthly theme will be a separate competition in its own right.

Having said that, if we get a few months down the line and it clearly isn't working we can review it.

RogerMac 23rd March 2017 11:39 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
I was one of those who helped set up the AP monthly theme which appears to be becoming ever more popular It does have a set of rules but the most important one is the first "There are no rules just suggestions" which among other things means there is no nit-picking about legibility.

MJ224 24th March 2017 09:38 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iso (Post 409481)
Mark I can't work out if you are in favour of the yearly accumulated points system, or like me, against it because it would tend to discourage the occasional newbie entrant :confused:

Hi Iso, I was meaning that each "monthly" challenge should start and end in a predetermined time, ie a month. If the challenge and following "judgement" drags out endlessly then loss of interest is incurred. Maybe I am an impatient sort, but would need to know when the final judgement is to me made, within a couple of days. And not dragging on endlessly.

I have no objection to the result being accumulated over the year for a yearly long distance winner/nerd to be appointed*chr

I don't think it will put of newcomers, they will see a vibrant completion ongoing. We could have a rolling top dog, added up over the last several months..............

This discussion and ideas is going the right way, and if anyone cares has my full approval.*chr

Zuiko 1st April 2017 09:48 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
The new Monthly Challenge is up and running, see http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=44681

I will soon need to publish the monthly themes for the remainder of the year. A few members have already made suggestions but more will be welcome!

Naughty Nigel 18th April 2017 11:28 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 409403)
Would film have exif data???

:confused:

I think APS did, after a fashion, but 35 mm and 120 roll film definitely not. :)

Zuiko 18th April 2017 01:19 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 412163)
I think APS did, after a fashion, but 35 mm and 120 roll film definitely not. :)

I seem to remember that the later Pentax 645 recorded basic exposure information in the film rebate on 120.

Naughty Nigel 18th April 2017 02:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuiko (Post 412177)
I seem to remember that the later Pentax 645 recorded basic exposure information in the film rebate on 120.

I didn't know about that John. There was also the Data Back for the OM system (and others), but that was limited to a date or number sequence.

I was always impressed by those who were able to quote exposure details for their film images; presumably writing them down in a notebook, (or guessing), but I was never that organised. :)

Naughty Nigel 24th April 2017 10:46 AM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuiko (Post 409314)

The theme for April is: Planes, Trains and Automobiles

In fact, any type of transport - it could be a picture of a queue of people waiting at a bus stop rather than the bus itself, for example. Creative interpretation is encouraged!

I decided to start with a bit of a cliché, a familiar subject to which everyone has easy access.

Do we have a theme for May yet John?

Please tell me if I am looking in the wrong place. :)

Zuiko 24th April 2017 08:24 PM

Re: New Monthly Photo Challenge & E-System User Photographer of the Year
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 412759)
Do we have a theme for May yet John?

Please tell me if I am looking in the wrong place. :)

We do indeed, Nigel. I posted a new thread about a week ago:-

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=44816


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