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David M 18th June 2017 09:13 PM

Which is best?
 
I need to install some Allen screws. Is a wooden handled claw hammer better or worse than a steel handled one for the job? Or would an 8lb sledgehammer be better?

I have an Allen key that fits the screws but I don't know how to use it.

Naughty Nigel 18th June 2017 09:32 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David M (Post 417832)
I need to install some Allen screws. Is a wooden handled claw hammer better or worse than a steel handled one for the job? Or would an 8lb sledgehammer be better?

I have an Allen key that fits the screws but I don't know how to use it.

You could either learn how to use the Allen keys, which is not difficult, or you could bray them in with a Nikon as you suggest. The metal bodied types tend to be better for this purpose. :D

Wee man 18th June 2017 09:35 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Better to cut a section off an Allen key then insert it into a Kango style drill set to hammer.
Gently insert it into the head of the Allen screw which has been filled with dental plaster and cold porridge, press down and using full hammer action the screw should install for you. Take great care to ensure drill operates in the correct direction or you will remove the internal threads. I this happens do not panic just go to a sewing supply shop and purchase replacement threads of the correct type and super glue them into the hole.
It is best to wait 7 minutes before continuing to insert the Allen screws ensuring you have corrected the drill settings.
When complete coat the screws with bright yellow nail polish ( acrylic not water based) this will assist locating the screws if you ever need to undo them.
Hope this helps. Remember sledge hammers must only be used on Santa vehicles when snow is on the ground as this deadens the sound otherwise the health and safety executive will pay a visit and confiscate your tooth brush.

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David M 18th June 2017 09:37 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 417834)
You could either learn how to use the Allen keys, which is not difficult, or you could bray them in with a Nikon as you suggest. The metal bodied types tend to be better for this purpose. :D

Thank you. I am a professional Allen screw installer but these are a different size so I'm totally lost.

Naughty Nigel 18th June 2017 09:42 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David M (Post 417838)
Thank you. I am a professional Allen screw installer but these are a different size so I'm totally lost.

Well, you could always purchase Allen keys of a suitable size that fit snugly into the Allen screw heads. This will make it possible to apply torque to the screws without mashing their heads.

Bigger doesn't always mean better!

David M 18th June 2017 09:44 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Ed, thank you for that helpful and highly detailed reply. Unfortunately I have no idea what a Kangaroo driver is. If I had to guess I'd say an Australian chauffeur.

Naughty Nigel 18th June 2017 09:48 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
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Originally Posted by David M (Post 417842)
Ed, thank you for that helpful and highly detailed reply. Unfortunately I have no idea what a Kangaroo driver is. If I had to guess I'd say an Australian chauffeur.

David, a Kangaroo and a Kango hammer are two very different things.

You see this is small Dougal, and that is far away. :D

PeterBirder 18th June 2017 09:48 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
It doesn't help that the user manual that comes with Allen Keys is so woefully inadequate. When I got mine I was totally confused by the many references to "Arren" key until I realised that they were made in China.

Naughty Nigel 18th June 2017 09:52 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
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Originally Posted by PeterBirder (Post 417844)
It doesn't help that the user manual that comes with Allen Keys is so woefully inadequate. When I got mine I was totally confused by the many references to "Arren" key until I realised that they were made in China.

That raises another problem. Unfortunately the Chinese mistook the engineering term 'Cheese Head Screw' to mean the material that the screw heads are manufactured from. That is why you need an Allen key, or in this case, a screwdriver of exactly the right size to avoid mashing the heads.

Anyhow, does the user manual explain why there are so many different sizes of key?

Ross the fiddler 18th June 2017 09:52 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David M (Post 417842)
Ed, thank you for that helpful and highly detailed reply. Unfortunately I have no idea what a Kangaroo driver is. If I had to guess I'd say an Australian chauffeur.

Since you're so close to that neighbourly nation, we've always called for the American Screw Driver to drive in nails, otherwise it is sold as a hammer here though. :rolleyes: And I guess they believe in the Biggest is Best! :p

PeterBirder 18th June 2017 09:56 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David M (Post 417838)
Thank you. I am a professional Allen screw installer but these are a different size so I'm totally lost.

Ah, it's the old "equivalent aperture" problem and you've fallen into the zone of confusion. There's a link somewhere to a calculator for finding the optimum aperture, I'll have a look for it. Failing that you could always use the "Sunny four thirds rule".

drmarkf 18th June 2017 09:59 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David M (Post 417832)
I need to install some Allen screws. Is a wooden handled claw hammer better or worse than a steel handled one for the job? Or would an 8lb sledgehammer be better?

I have an Allen key that fits the screws but I don't know how to use it.

You're not originally from Yorkshire by any chance, are you, david?

David M 18th June 2017 10:02 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross the fiddler (Post 417847)
Since you're so close to that neighbourly nation, we've always called for the American Screw Driver to drive in nails, otherwise it is sold as a hammer here though. :rolleyes: And I guess they believe in the Biggest is Best! :p

On an actual serious note, Google Robertson head screws. A Canadian screw head designed to confuse Americans.

David M 18th June 2017 10:07 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 417843)
David, a Kangaroo and a Kango hammer are two very different things.

You see this is small Dougal, and that is far away. :D

Feck! ****! Knickers! Drink! Girls!

Naughty Nigel 18th June 2017 10:09 PM

Re: Which is best?
 
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Originally Posted by David M (Post 417850)
.............designed to confuse Americans.

Very easily done my friend. Very easily done. :D


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