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Harold Gough 10th December 2018 08:38 AM

Mixed Messages
 
The is much current concern about children being enticed into gambling. The latest move is to get advertising for gambling well away from children's TV viewing and during broadcast sports games.

Yesterday the Radio 4 Today Programme had an item on this. Then without a pause in between: "Here are today's racing tips..."

Harold

Wally 10th December 2018 08:43 AM

Re: Mixed Messages
 
More of the now so common government clapt-trap. How many times have we heared, 'We're going to...? They talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

MJ224 10th December 2018 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally (Post 465168)
More of the now so common government clapt-trap. How many times have we heared, 'We're going to...? They talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

My late Mum called them "Gonnas". I know several...………..*chr

Naughty Nigel 10th December 2018 09:06 AM

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It is a mixed message indeed.

Gambling, like smoking and heavy drinking causes untold misery and must have an enormous social cost. But then government also makes a lot of money from all of these.

Likewise government imposes punitive taxes on cars and road fuel to 'encourage us to use public transport', yet the truth is that public finances would very quickly collapse without the taxes collected from road users.

It is a delicate balancing act for any government I guess but there are some industries (gambling and tobacco come to mind) that really wouldn't be missed by most of us, but for various reasons seem to be allowed to continue unabated.

Like big business it all seems to be about this quarter's bottom line whilst ignoring the bigger picture.

Jax 10th December 2018 09:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Harold Gough (Post 465167)
The is much current concern about children being enticed into gambling. The latest move is to get advertising for gambling well away from children's TV viewing and during broadcast sports games.

Yesterday the Radio 4 Today Programme had an item on this. Then without a pause in between: "Here are today's racing tips..."

Harold

Having seen many recent headlines voicing concern over children gambling online, I did wonder how an 11yr. old managed to do it. In order to "gamble" online you need an account supported by a credit card or bank account. It seems however the "gambling" causing concern is more about children playing computer games and purchasing additional lives, credits, and other incentives.

There seems to be no end of discussion regarding advertising which encourages gambling, being viewed by children, and attempts to introduce legislation to either stop or control it.

This still begs the question as to how an 11yr old manages to either gamble in the way most of us understand it or make purchases within online games without a parent's consent and finance. If my assumptions are correct, it is the parents who are directly responsible for the children's "gambling" and not the advertising or indeed the kids themselves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/44736452

Jax

TimP 10th December 2018 09:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 465175)

Likewise government imposes punitive taxes on cars and road fuel to 'encourage us to use public transport', yet the truth is that public finances would very quickly collapse without the taxes collected from road users.

The public transport argument might be all well and good in some major cities but move anywhere beyond the suburbs and you’re screwed. Public transport is far from affordable either, some train journeys come at a ridiculous cost, not only in money but time taken, reliability and appalling lack of comfort (so I understand, no doubt from fake media, having only travelled on heritage lines for about 25+ years)
There’s going to have to be a huge rethink around taxes once electric vehicles start to gain popularity. Not just taxes obviously as the whole electrical infrastructure won’t cope with anything like the equivalent number of journeys currently (see what I did there) being taken by ICE vehicles.
Interesting times ahead, shame a lot of us won’t be here to witness them.

Otto 10th December 2018 09:43 AM

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I recently bailed out a young friend who'd got himself into trouble with payday loans at ridiculous interest rates. He has paid me back as agreed over a six month period. He never admitted that it was gambling that got him into trouble though he had talked about poker in the past. He learned a valuable lesson though and I don't think he will fall into that trap again.

The trouble with online games apps is that you have to set up a payment card when you set up an account (at least with Apple) so in-app purchases cannot easily be controlled.

Otto 10th December 2018 09:52 AM

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Public transport? Don't make me laugh! Up here there is very little of it and what there is only remains through volunteer drivers because no commercial business could survive. The train is fine if I want to go to Leeds or Carlisle before going anywhere else. We're approximately half way between the east- and west-coast main lines but it takes a couple of hours to get to either by train and bus. I have to get to Darlington hospital soon for an eye operation; an hour's drive, but a three hour train journey via Leeds and York! It's £70 each way by taxi so I'm going to have to rely on friends to take me there and back. At least we're remote enough for the local petrol station to get the 5p/litre rural reduction making it competitive with the big supermarkets.

sapper 10th December 2018 10:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TimP (Post 465181)
The public transport argument might be all well and good in some major cities but move anywhere beyond the suburbs and you’re screwed. Public transport is far from affordable either, some train journeys come at a ridiculous cost, not only in money but time taken, reliability and appalling lack of comfort (so I understand, no doubt from fake media, having only travelled on heritage lines for about 25+ years)
There’s going to have to be a huge rethink around taxes once electric vehicles start to gain popularity. Not just taxes obviously as the whole electrical infrastructure won’t cope with anything like the equivalent number of journeys currently (see what I did there)

Groan...........

DerekW 10th December 2018 10:22 AM

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In the UK you have a choice regarding quality of life
Good transport and internet and low quality of life
or
crap transport and crap internet but a good quality of life

Your choice

sapper 10th December 2018 10:27 AM

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I think that public transport should be subsidised from general taxation, together with a total rethink as to what public transport should be for. Getting folk to and from work, yes, shopping, yes, pleasure even, yes too. So to get folk to work from country areas, there needs to be a good service.
If it were a good convenient and cheap service I am sure people would use it, which would take traffic off our roads, but I am not holding my breath, governments of both colours seem only to be interested in the short term.

sapper 10th December 2018 10:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DerekW (Post 465191)
In the UK you have a choice regarding quality of life
Good transport and internet and low quality of life
or
crap transport and crap internet but a good quality of life

Your choice

Not sure I get this Derek.

TimP 10th December 2018 10:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sapper (Post 465190)
Groan...........

Groan? Elaborate please.

Harold Gough 10th December 2018 10:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 465175)
Likewise government imposes punitive taxes on cars and road fuel to 'encourage us to use public transport', yet the truth is that public finances would very quickly collapse without the taxes collected from road users.

Our local council has just, after several years of outsourcing, taken back control of a major town cars park(s?) from a well-know national car parking company (other sharks are available). This is "to save the council money". That sounds ominous for car drivers (aka retail customers).

Harold

TimP 10th December 2018 11:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Harold Gough (Post 465199)
Our local council has just, after several years of outsourcing, taken back control of a major town cars park(s?) from a well-know national car parking company (other sharks are available). This is "to save the council money". That sounds ominous for car drivers (aka retail customers).

Harold

You’d like to think that if the outsourcing company could make money from the car park then the council should be able to do exactly the same.


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