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Wally 14th February 2018 03:29 PM

Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
According to rumours… The UK is doomed?

What or who to believe? --> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business

And then, there is this? --> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news...id=mailsignout

Perhaps certain high-lighted links could explain why so called negotiations are not being negotiated? :confused:

pdk42 14th February 2018 03:57 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
Look at the big picture...

- UK is a small, post industrial nation with severe productivity challenges (skills, infrastructure, capital investment, regional imbalances, ...)

- Europe is one of the world's biggest and richest markets and makes up 50% of our trade.

- Euro currency union probably a mistake

What we want is to be part of the EU and its internal market but not the Euro. Oh, hang on - isn't that what we have now?

Jim Ford 14th February 2018 04:04 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
Spot on Paul, spot on!

Jim

Jim Ford 14th February 2018 04:08 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally (Post 439812)
Perhaps certain high-lighted links could explain why so called negotiations are not being negotiated? :confused:

Because David 'Thick as Mince' Davis is just strolling around with his hands in his pockets and a smug look on his face!

Jim

MJ224 14th February 2018 04:20 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
Am/was not a leaver, but now we are at the leaving point, I think we need to break free of the EU and not be a hanger on,

We, as a country want to be independent, and there are plenty of opportunities out there to make it a success. Gonna be a year or two before it works out tho'.

EU are not being helpful, which is understandable. Why should they??

Lets just get on with it. EU needs us as much as we need them, re exports certainly.

My regret is that we will not have a RIGHT to live there, as they do us.............................

(Not an expert on the matter, but kinda sitting on the fence)

:confused::confused:

pdk42 14th February 2018 04:29 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 439822)
Am/was not a leaver, but now we are at the leaving point, I think we need to break free of the EU and not be a hanger on,

We, as a country want to be independent, and there are plenty of opportunities out there to make it a success. Gonna be a year or two before it works out tho'.

EU are not being helpful, which is understandable. Why should they??

Lets just get on with it. EU needs us as much as we need them, re exports certainly.

My regret is that we will not have a RIGHT to live there, as they do us.............................

(Not an expert on the matter, but kinda sitting on the fence)

:confused::confused:

We've got much, much more to lose than EU. That's why the "negotiations" are doomed. We'll get screwed no matter what. We need to get this stupid decision reversed. Another referendum or a general election where the EU question is the key agenda item is needed desperately. We're in a complete mess right now and I just don't see any way out.

Theresa May's government is floundering. Massive splits in Tory party. Negotiations nowhere. It's crisis time!

KeithL 14th February 2018 04:36 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
The biggest single problem with Brexit is the total lack of evaluation of all the diverse aspects that have to be addressed. If we had wanted out, say 35 years ago, it would have been relatively simple. Today it is anything but. The evaluation should have been done BEFORE the referendum; an over-simplistic referendum followed by triggering exit without even thinking about what the issues would be, what it would cost us, etc, etc, was about as incompetent as it could possibly get. Now we are resorting to blind faith and hubris, again without any evaluation of these allegedly wonderful opportunities, history will undoubtedly repeat itself.

I think the upshot will be that we leave without any sort of deal. And I have to say, for the first time in my life, I fear the future.

pdk42 14th February 2018 04:44 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KeithL (Post 439826)
The biggest single problem with Brexit is the total lack of evaluation of all the diverse aspects that have to be addressed. If we had wanted out, say 35 years ago, it would have been relatively simple. Today it is anything but. The evaluation should have been done BEFORE the referendum; an over-simplistic referendum followed by triggering exit without even thinking about what the issues would be, what it would cost us, etc, etc, was about as incompetent as it could possibly get. Now we are resorting to blind faith and hubris, again without any evaluation of these allegedly wonderful opportunities, history will undoubtedly repeat itself.

I think the upshot will be that we leave without any sort of deal. And I have to say, for the first time in my life, I fear the future.

Totally agree - that's why we need to get it reversed.

Jim Ford 14th February 2018 04:50 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 439822)
We, as a country want to be independent, and there are plenty of opportunities out there to make it a success.

I believe that Liam Fox is in secret negotiations to export the entire turnip crop of Norfolk to Vanuatu, when we leave!

Jim

jdal 14th February 2018 04:52 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
What I don't get is this sovereignty thing which people drone on about.

Large tracts of our industry, services & infrastructure projects are owned by foreign companies, and we are leaking wealth at an alarming rate - look at the ONS Balance Of Payments figures here. Every trade deal you make as a small country with a more powerful one makes this worse.

This is not just about money, it means that our jobs & regional prosperity are at the whim of unelected foreigners. And not EU "bureaucrats" like "The Right Honourable Member for the 19th Century" would have you believe, but Japanese car manufacturers, Indian Steel Companies, Far Eastern banks etc. Where said MP probably has lots of money invested.

Sovereignty? Don't make me laugh.

MJ224 14th February 2018 08:39 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
ye but...............

We do have professions that work well here. I am not an original Brexiter, but now the cast is set, altho on a tricky count, I don't see a way back. EU would insist we do the Euro bit, which ^^cks up many local economics. Look at Greece.

Its a bloody mess I agree, but lets get on with the process.............

We do have to be focused, don't care bout customs union, we need to be free...........

Eventually we will e good. (may take a few years tho...:mad:)

DerekW 14th February 2018 09:13 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
It is not so depressing if you do not have the future of any descendants to worry about.

wornish 14th February 2018 09:55 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
I might be in the minority on this thread I voted to leave and the sooner we get out the better.

If the EU is such a great place why do they want to punish anyone who wants to leave ?

It is becoming clearer every day that all they want is our money.

The original Common Market we signed up to in 1974 was a good idea and still could be. But the EU as it as now become is a failing entity. It is simply a protection racket for inefficient corporate businesses. It puts up barriers against competition rather than encouraging innovation. People talk as if all trade with EU countries will stop when we leave. It won't business will continue despite the politicians.

The rest of the world is growing much faster than the EU and so its share of global GDP is shrinking. We should be doing trade deals with the areas that are growing not shackled to support those in decline.

Jim Ford 14th February 2018 10:03 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 439840)
EU would insist we do the Euro bit, which ^^cks up many local economics. Look at Greece.

Isn't the problem with Greece is that they borrowed a lot of money for profligate spending and they don't want to pay it back?

I read some time ago that they have more tanks than either the U.K. or France - and they're 'top of the range' German Leopards. I don't know what they're going to do with them - isn't Greece mountainous and not really tank country?

Jim

Jim Ford 14th February 2018 10:08 PM

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wornish (Post 439844)
If the EU is such a great place why do they want to punish anyone who wants to leave ?

It is becoming clearer every day that all they want is our money.

Money that we had committed to! It's been stated that it's like a large group of people going to a pub to drink, and one of them wanting to leave when it's their turn to buy a round.

Jim


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