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DavyG 7th August 2018 12:35 PM

New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Reports of a new Olympus patent for a 400mm f4.0 lens.

https://www.dailycameranews.com/2018...-4-0-mft-lens/

Dave

Bengeo 8th August 2018 09:50 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Too heavy for me. Now a 400mm f5.6 .....

Ross the fiddler 8th August 2018 10:55 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
I'm waiting for (& hoping I can afford) the 150-400 f4.0-5.6 lens that is said to be announced next March, being available at the end of 2019. Good zooms are my preference.

Phill D 8th August 2018 11:23 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
I think I'm in the same camp Ross so long as it's good at close up shots too like the 300mm is.

Walti 8th August 2018 01:07 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Shame about the little rider at the end....

We have to mention that several months ago, Dpreview reported, “Olympus Cancels 400mm f4 lens”:

After years of planning, development and testing, Olympus is considering cancelling the production of a 400mm f4 lens. This lens was going to be one of the most superlative lenses ever made by Olympus; however, after extensive surveying, it was discovered that it might only meet the needs of a very small minority.

AMc 8th August 2018 01:51 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
I did get a survey a while ago from MyOlympus asking a lot of leading questions about PRO and specifically telephoto lenses.

As I am involved in Online Surveys for a living I was very disappointed by the terrible way they'd phrased the questions and that they insisted on answers when you had no opinion.

We make a point of not forcing users to answer questions as your useful responses get swamped with garbage replies from people eager to complete the survey and get the reward.
Hopefully it will appear if there is a market.

Ross the fiddler 8th August 2018 01:58 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walti (Post 453674)
Shame about the little rider at the end....

We have to mention that several months ago, Dpreview reported, “Olympus Cancels 400mm f4 lens”:

After years of planning, development and testing, Olympus is considering cancelling the production of a 400mm f4 lens. This lens was going to be one of the most superlative lenses ever made by Olympus; however, after extensive surveying, it was discovered that it might only meet the needs of a very small minority.

It's likely for the same reasons as the F1.0 primes that were shelved in favour of the f1.2 prime lenses instead. They were heavy & expensive while the f1.2 lenses had a better chance of selling. I suspect they've gone (going) for the zoom up to 400mm instead. They (says Simon) are also bringing the MC20, so that would bring the 300 f4 lens up to 600mm at f8. That is supposed to come next March (with the E-M1 Mk III). At least that would give me 300mm f5.6 with the 40-150 lens.

stevewestern 8th August 2018 03:14 PM

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It would be good to know if the 150-400 is actually coming, and some details - I was at a Grass Track race meet on Sunday and my 40-150 with T/C just wasn't long enough for the furthest action so almost all my pictures were with the Nikon FF and 150-600 sigma..
I'm very tempted to get a Panasonic 100-400 as waiting for something that may not even arrive is not something I'm good at..

Walti 9th August 2018 07:23 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
MC20 is on my shopping list now...

Not sure about a 150-400, I don't miss a zoom very often at the long lens area.

(I have the 40-150, 300 and MC14)

Ross the fiddler 9th August 2018 08:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Walti (Post 453724)
MC20 is on my shopping list now...

Not sure about a 150-400, I don't miss a zoom very often at the long lens area.

(I have the 40-150, 300 and MC14)

I don't know how much the 150-400 is likely to cost as they are only going to announce (in March) that they're going to produce it for the end of next year, but maybe I'm hoping & wishing for more than I can afford, while the 300 f4 lens is over AU$3000 with the best discounted price so far being $2700. If the 150-400 could be about $2500 then I might be able to go for it (eventually), but that's just hoping.

griffljg 11th August 2018 07:26 AM

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I think that I may well be in the same camp as Ross on this one. I prefer high quality zoome to primes, especially for telephotos. I zoom out to "acquire" the subject and then zoom in to take the photo. I have tried to photograph little birds in flight or slightly bigger aeroplanes while fully zoomed in, but without much luck.

When my old Sigma 50-500mm (BIGMA) died (aperture stopped closing) and couldn't be repaired, there was only one real option. - The Panasonic / Leica 100-400mm.

If an Olympus 150-400mm had been available, I would have gone for it. But it wasn't and so I didn't.

Ross the fiddler 11th August 2018 08:02 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by griffljg (Post 453875)
I think that I may well be in the same camp as Ross on this one. I prefer high quality zoome to primes, especially for telephotos. I zoom out to "acquire" the subject and then zoom in to take the photo. I have tried to photograph little birds in flight or slightly bigger aeroplanes while fully zoomed in, but without much luck.

When my old Sigma 50-500mm (BIGMA) died (aperture stopped closing) and couldn't be repaired, there was only one real option. - The Panasonic / Leica 100-400mm.

If an Olympus 150-400mm had been available, I would have gone for it. But it wasn't and so I didn't.

I had one person suggest going for the Lumix FZ1000 with 24-400 (equiv) F2.8-4.0 using 1" sensor. It's selling for $900 & might be a poor man's option, but I really would like that Oly 150-400 lens though. Actually, I just realised, I already have that! *erm *ohwell (40-150 + MC14)

JohnGG 11th August 2018 09:37 PM

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I have the Pana-Leica 100-400 and it is a cracking lens but if Olympus brought out an equivalent it would be tempting for two reasons. Firstly it would be nice to have image stabilisation in the lens that worked in conjunction with the camera body, like the Zuiko 12-100/4 and 300/4. Secondly, the zoom ring on the Pana-Leica works in the opposite direction to all the Zuiko zooms which continues to cause confusion. My preference though would be for a constant aperture lens, even if it was a little darker at the short end. Perhaps f/4.5 or f/5 over the entire range.

I wonder if Olympus will bring out a 40-150/2.8 Mk 2 with IS built in.

Cheers,

JohnGG

Loup Garou 20th August 2018 07:48 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross the fiddler (Post 453646)
I'm waiting for (& hoping I can afford) the 150-400 f4.0-5.6 lens that is said to be announced next March, being available at the end of 2019.

Same here. It will pair-up nicely with my Olympus 14-150mm f4-5.6 and I can trade in my current Panasonic 100-300mm f4-5.6 for the new lens.

Price apart, the other concern is the size and weight, of course. I like a lens to be of robust build quality but at the same time, easy to handle. One of the major advantages of the MFT system is their smaller size compared with other formats and hence portability. My wife and I are retiring within the next 6 months and plan to do some "outdoor" type travelling where a long lens would useful.

Ross the fiddler 20th August 2018 10:58 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Loup Garou (Post 455220)
Same here. It will pair-up nicely with my Olympus 14-150mm f4-5.6 and I can trade in my current Panasonic 100-300mm f4-5.6 for the new lens.

Price apart, the other concern is the size and weight, of course. I like a lens to be of robust build quality but at the same time, easy to handle. One of the major advantages of the MFT system is their smaller size compared with other formats and hence portability. My wife and I are retiring within the next 6 months and plan to do some "outdoor" type travelling where a long lens would useful.

The 150-400 F4-5.6 won't be light with that focal length & aperture, but not as large & heavy if it was a constant F4 though & is most likely a Pro quality lens with OIS & Sync IS possibility. Your 14-150 F4-5.6 lens is a very compact lens.

The PanaLeica 100-400 F4.0-6.3 is nearly 1kg with a 72mm filter. I would expect the Olympus to be a bit heavier & maybe with a larger filter perhaps too (not sure on the physics on that though).

Loup Garou 20th August 2018 12:29 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross the fiddler (Post 455273)
The 150-400 F4-5.6 won't be light with that focal length & aperture, but not as large & heavy if it was a constant F4 though & is most likely a Pro quality lens with OIS & Sync IS possibility. Your 14-150 F4-5.6 lens is a very compact lens.

The PanaLeica 100-400 F4.0-6.3 is nearly 1kg with a 72mm filter. I would expect the Olympus to be a bit heavier & maybe with a larger filter perhaps too (not sure on the physics on that though).

I can live with that. Of course I expect the 150-400 to be a lot larger and heavier than the 14-150 and I was infect thinking in terms of the PanLeica 100-400 dimensions. Anything up to 1.5Kg is OK with me and while it will not fit into the space presently occupied by the Panasonic 100-300 in my camera bag, I have several smaller bags to use for a large lens.

But if you think about the dimensions for an equivalent lens for Canon or Nikon, then you know what I mean by portability. I think the MFT system has given non-professional enthusiasts like me an opportunity to include good long lenses in the hand luggage while travelling.

Tordan58 23rd August 2018 10:38 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
That lens would be fitted with an 89mm front lens. It would still be portable, although heavier than the Panasonic 100-400. How much is depending on the optical design and selection of material.

It would however cannibalize on the 300/F4 (+MC14) having more or less same the same speed at 300mm. At 400mm it would be almost 2/3 stops faster however most telezooms tend to soften at the longest zoom range, so that advantage may very well be eaten up as you need to stop down for sharp results.

The success would be gated by pricing considering the competition from the well regarded and popular Panasonic 100-400 lens. Tough to beat.

A zoom that would make more sense to me looking at the competitive landscape is something like a 150-500 F/5.6 or maybe 150mm-600mm F/6.3... F/6.7

Or if I may wish, a 500mm F/5.6 prime.

Loup Garou 24th August 2018 05:14 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tordan58 (Post 455869)
That lens would be fitted with an 89mm front lens. It would still be portable, although heavier than the Panasonic 100-400. How much is depending on the optical design and selection of material.

It would however cannibalize on the 300/F4 (+MC14) having more or less same the same speed at 300mm.

I am not sure about that. These long zooms lose max aperture values fairly quickly in the first part of zooming and so a 150-400mm f4-5.6 might be closer to f5 at 300mm.

Theoretically if Olympus made the 150-400mm as a f4.5 to 5.6 or even f4.5 to 6.3, will its portability increase? f6.3 at 400mm is not bad at all.

Thomas Westhead 31st October 2018 03:34 PM

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Hello all,


If this new Olympus zoom comes to the market is it likely to be internally focusing like the Pro 40-150 f2.8 ? I personally would feel this is Very important.


Shooting wildlife in wet or dusty conditions I have never been happy with lens barrels that zoom in and out.

Loup Garou 31st October 2018 07:12 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Westhead (Post 461524)
If this new Olympus zoom comes to the market is it likely to be internally focusing like the Pro 40-150 f2.8 ? I personally would feel this is Very important.


I don't have a great deal of knowledge of optics but it seems to me even an MFT lens 150-400mm f2.8 PRO would be impractically huge. Would a facility for internal zooming make it even larger?

MJ224 31st October 2018 10:14 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Bit late on this thread, but my preference is for a zoom lens, the flexibility is needed for what I want...…….…..*chr

Thomas Westhead 31st October 2018 11:12 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Hi All,


I was thinking something from Olympus that would rival the Panasonic 100-400 but maybe a little faster and with internal focusing.


It would be a great pull for the Canon users too who have the 100-400 f4.5-5.6 especially aviation shooters/sports enthusiasts/Birders.


If they built something on the lines of the 40-150 f2.8 but 100-400 f4.5-5.6 I would be sold!

stevewestern 1st November 2018 08:10 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Westhead (Post 461552)
Hi All,


I was thinking something from Olympus that would rival the Panasonic 100-400 but maybe a little faster and with internal focusing.


It would be a great pull for the Canon users too who have the 100-400 f4.5-5.6 especially aviation shooters/sports enthusiasts/Birders.


If they built something on the lines of the 40-150 f2.8 but 100-400 f4.5-5.6 I would be sold!

That would make me stick with Olympus, along with the new body if it brings better low light and focus speed, simpler menus would be nice too..!
I've now sold my Nikon gear, but have a bag full of fuji that seems to get a lot more use than my Em1 mk2.

Thomas Westhead 1st November 2018 09:04 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Hi Guys,


I sent a message to Olympus via their website about the possibility of future development of a Pro 100-400mm lens in a similar guise to the 40-150 f2.8 Pro lens say f4 f4.5 f5.6.


A lens that would rival the Panasonic 100-400 and the Canon 100-400 the later which I used a lot for aviation I pointed out the significance of the internal zoom mechanism over the other brands of which have the extending lens barrel I say this because having used the Olympus 40-150 Pro in the field it had great weather sealing and inspired confidence to use it in more extreme weather i.e. when it pours down.


Any way worth highlighting this type of lens though I guess when the Panasonic came to the market they must have looked into the possibility of this focal length so I may be a bit late in mentioning it.


They replied and said they would forward this to the development department.

GyRob 2nd November 2018 09:28 AM

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I would love a 400 f4 it would be great for aircraft and wild life if any mft can do it Olympus can .
Rob.

Bassman51 3rd November 2018 12:57 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
A 100-400/4.0 lens would need a 100mm diaphragm pupil - that's a seriously large lens. Bumping the max aperture to 5.6 drops it to 71mm, which might use a 77mm filter.

Remember, the 40-150/2.8 plus the 1.4TC yields a 56-210/4.0 lens which weighs in at over 2 lbs. The Panny 100-400/4.0-6.3 is just under 2 lbs.

Loup Garou 3rd November 2018 08:44 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassman51 (Post 461756)
A 100-400/4.0 lens would need a 100mm diaphragm pupil - that's a seriously large lens.

Will that not take away one of the main selling points of the MFT system - portability?

Bikie John 3rd November 2018 09:54 AM

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Of course not. If you want f/4 at 400mm it is going to be big, heavy and VERY expensive whatever your sensor size. But you don't have to use that lens for everything, and if you want portable there are plenty of much smaller lenses that will fit the bill. They just won't be as long and fast.

John

stevewestern 3rd November 2018 11:01 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassman51 (Post 461756)
Remember, the 40-150/2.8 plus the 1.4TC yields a 56-210/4.0 lens which weighs in at over 2 lbs. The Panny 100-400/4.0-6.3 is just under 2 lbs.

I had no idea the Panasonic was so light - the only time I've ever seen one it looked like it was a bit of a lump (weight-wise..)

MJ224 3rd November 2018 11:19 AM

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The 40-150mm PRO is a lump..., certainly the Pan y 100-400mm looks quite sleek alongside it..*chr

Loup Garou 3rd November 2018 11:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bikie John (Post 461765)
Of course not. If you want f/4 at 400mm it is going to be big, heavy and VERY expensive whatever your sensor size.
John

Yes, but a FF equivalent of a 400mm f4 MFT lens woud be absolutely huge. First of all, it needs to be an 800mm lens to get the same focal distance. If it is an exact equivalent, ie an 800mm f8 FF lens, I suspect that it will still be bigger and heavier than the 400mm f4 MFT lens. But if the FF bods want to make their point and make an 800mm f4 lens :eek:, I suspect the photographer might struggle to get it into the boot of his car, let alone his bag. And with that size, weight and no doubt bank-breaking cost, the risk of accidental damage would be high.

I doubt if anyone other than full pros using FF sensor cameras would even consider such expense.

Bikie John 3rd November 2018 07:40 PM

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Exactly. So in what way does it "take away one of the main selling points of the MFT system - portability"?

Yes, it's big. But it is still considerably than the equivalent for 35mm format would be (if it were ever available), and you wouldn't need to use it except for specialised purposes. It isn't taking anything away from anyone or anywhere.

John

Thomas Westhead 3rd November 2018 10:05 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Good evening,


So guys any ideas what the rumored zoom will be from Olympus F/L wise, size, filter size etc????

Will it be in the Pro lens lineup?

Is it to be a direct opponent to the Panasonic 100-400??

Ross the fiddler 3rd November 2018 10:54 PM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Westhead (Post 461858)
Good evening,


So guys any ideas what the rumored zoom will be from Olympus F/L wise, size, filter size etc????

Will it be in the Pro lens lineup?

Is it to be a direct opponent to the Panasonic 100-400??

The 'Simon' that leaked details for a long zoom to be announced early next year (for an end of 2019 production) said it will be 150-400mm F4.0-5.6. See what Bassman51 wrote above for a possible filter size.

Loup Garou 6th November 2018 08:51 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross the fiddler (Post 461864)
The 'Simon' that leaked details for a long zoom to be announced early next year (for an end of 2019 production) said it will be 150-400mm F4.0-5.6. See what Bassman51 wrote above for a possible filter size.

If Olympus made a 150-400mm lens as f4.5-5.6 instead, can it be made around the same size as the Panasonic 100-300mm f4-5.6? At least the same length (with an extending zoom, of course) if a bit fatter?

Ross the fiddler 6th November 2018 10:59 AM

Re: New Olympus Patent: 400mm f4.0 MFT Lens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Loup Garou (Post 462007)
If Olympus made a 150-400mm lens as f4.5-5.6 instead, can it be made around the same size as the Panasonic 100-300mm f4-5.6? At least the same length (with an extending zoom, of course) if a bit fatter?

It may be larger than the PanaLeica 100-400 F4-6.3 lens


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