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AlecN 26th June 2011 05:24 PM

E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
Hello.
I have had my E-1 for about a year now and an gradually increasing my knowledge as I had olympus point and shoot cameras before the E-1.
I am interested in close ups of insects and flowers, and with a limited budget, my question is to improve the sharpness of the shots should I invest in a second hand E-3 or opt for a better lense for the E-1.

At the moment I have an Olympus zuiko digital 35mm 1:3.5 macro lense with a thin Sigma achromatic lense which screws on the front.

I have a tripod and remote button for the camera, camera shake is not the problem.
The E-1 has taken 2,281 shots, if the E-3 would give an improvement I would get one but as the E-1 is in such immaculate condition I would be happy if a better lense would give the same result.

If another lense is advisable perhaps someone would advise the exact make and type as I consider myself a novice
Thank You

wanderer 26th June 2011 07:45 PM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
A couple of years ago I would have said buy the E-3.
But now I would suggest buy good glass.
I have the 35mm macro and like it a lot but I am in the process of upgrading to the 50mm. This lens should also be good for portraits.
If its a more general purpose lens, the 12-60 to me is worth its weight in gold.
It has reasonable close focusing and the zoom element is very useful.

DJMC 27th June 2011 03:40 PM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
I tried an E-3 briefly but sold it again as I decided my E-1 does enough for me in the all weather stakes and the E-3 is heavier, especially with a better lens than the kit ones.

I had an E-510 for more detail but then an E-620 came along at the right price and I sold the E-510 on.

So I now have E-1 & E-620 with 40-150 MkI and 14-54 MkI and I think this is a great combination for most purposes.

If you Google reviews on the E-3 vs. E-30 vs. E-620 you'll find the 620 comes out with advantages over the other two in some of them.

The 12-60 is great I'm sure, but a used 14-54 will cost half as much and deliver almost the same range and quality, and it's lighter.

I'd say go find a 14-54 and a 600/620 for more diversity, but make sure you NEVER part with your E-1!

;)

AlecN 27th June 2011 05:28 PM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
Thanks for both your comments, if the E-1 and E-3 are comparable for quality of image with close ups it would make sense to keep the E-1 and get another lense as suggested.
I find this forum invaluable for advice, I'm sure with lenses you only get what you pay for

JonSchick 27th June 2011 10:50 PM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
Hi Alec,

I'd stick with what you've got - the E-1 is a good camera and the 35mm is supposed to be a fine lens too. To give you hope, here are a few quick E-1 macro's that were not even taken with a macro lens. These came from the 40-150 tele lens, with a Raynox close up adapter screwed to the front. They aren't brilliant, but hopefully show that the E-1 isn't really the limiting factor here:

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Cheers,

Jon

David Morison 28th June 2011 04:31 AM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
The best screw-on macro adaptor lens I have used is the Opteka 10x HD Macro available from 47th Street Photo for very little. It has 4 elements and has remarkable clarity when used with the 50mm and will no doubt do the same with the 35mm. On a zoom lens it will be best at between 25 and 50mm. It is available in lots of sizes.

This is an Anthrenas beetle, about 1.7mm long, in the middle of a wild daisy flower:


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/anthrenus693.jpg


And for a more normal size insect:


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/bee655.jpg


David

IPWheatley 28th June 2011 05:23 AM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
Sound advice from all so far and I would totally agree that a s/h 14-54 would be a sensible next move. I would add just one thing though. As a long time user of both the E1 and E3 bodies, anyone who suggests that the image quality from these two is comparable would be strongly advised to seek the services of an Optician ASAP., you will get an E3 eventually believe me, regards, Ian W.

CallaWolf 28th June 2011 07:02 AM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
I've owned (in order), an E-510, an E-3, an E-620, an EPL-1, an E-5 and (to see what the fuss was all about) an E-1. Lens-wise (again, in order) - the E-510 kit lenses, 70-300mm, 12-60mm SWD, Sigma 50-500 Bigma, 35mm Macro, 9-18mm, 50mm Macro, 50-200 MkI, Sigma 105mm Macro, 14-54 Mk I and (in the next few days, I hope) Sigma 150mm Macro.

Now look at my signature to see my current setup. It's taken me a long time (over 5 years) to settle on a configuration that serves my needs. To answer your question AlecN, I'd say settle on your glass first. I didn't. I jerked around with bodies for far too long (I wish I'd found the E-1 much earlier in my search - bought my first about 10 days ago, used it for the first time yesterday...and fell in love) and wasted funds that I could have invested in glass.

As far as the future is concerned, the EP-3 / EPL-3 is an intriguing prospect, and I wouldn't be surprised to see an E-7 on the shelves in the next 12-18 months with the new Oly sensor at its heart...but what I REALLY covet (that is just about affordable for my pocket) is the Zuiko 150mm. One day... :D

Sprocketdog23 19th November 2011 07:59 PM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
Personally I'd opt for lenses, and stick with your E-1. Even if you buy another body, you will still need a decent lens to get the most from it. A decent and fast lens will make your efforts to capture macro shots of insects a lot easier. I do have an however though.....I've not looked through the viewfinder of an E3 or E-5, but the major drawback for macro insect shots to both my E-1 and E-620 is the small view through the viewfinder. Compared to my current 35mm film camera (Nikon FM2), the difference when trying to focus on an insects eye or whatever is rather profound, especially for really precise focussing (I always use 'set' manual focussing, and move in to my subject). It is really hard work like this with the E-1, but you do eventually get used to it, so maybe that might be a deciding factor for you if the E3 or E5 have bigger, brighter viewfinders. Can anyone comment further on the difference between the size of the view in the viewfinders between the E-1, E-3 and E-5 ??

Dick Bowman 20th November 2011 08:46 AM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
The E3/5 viewfinder view was/is a major step up from the E1.

Phill D 20th November 2011 10:05 AM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
Alec lots of good advice here and several ways to go. I have a 35mm macro too and was wondering what your images were like using the Sigma achromatic lens on it. My only complaint is how close you have to get with the 35mm does the added lens make that even closer? I've done a bit of Googling as you got me thinking and I found this.
http://photoreflect.blogspot.com/200...acro-lens.html
He seems to be pretty close to your part of the country.
Anyway I suspect you are getting pretty good macros already with your setup so I guess your best option would be better basic glass so maybe go for the Olympus 50mm macro lens?
Having said all that though the Opteka that David suggested is remarkably cheap at 20 for a 58mm one. Might even have a think about that myself. Or even go for a Sigma achromatic like you did.
How about posting some of your current shots so people can see what you are looking to improve on. It may be that you want to consider multiple image focus stacking as a way forward too something I've wanted to have a go at for a while but not quite got round to it yet.

Sprocketdog23 20th November 2011 10:27 AM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
I'll second what Phill D says; I bought a Sigma 50mm 1:1 macro for my Nikon gear a few years ago, but as soon as I was chasing insects around the garden I wished I'd paid more and bought the Sigma 105mm.
The Olympus 50mm macro would definitely be better in a practical sense for insects.

Chevvyf1 20th November 2011 10:54 AM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CallaWolf (Post 123596)
I've owned (in order), an E-510, an E-3, an E-620, an EPL-1, an E-5 and (to see what the fuss was all about) an E-1. Lens-wise (again, in order) - the E-510 kit lenses, 70-300mm, 12-60mm SWD, Sigma 50-500 Bigma, 35mm Macro, 9-18mm, 50mm Macro, 50-200 MkI, Sigma 105mm Macro, 14-54 Mk I and (in the next few days, I hope) Sigma 150mm Macro.

Now look at my signature to see my current setup. It's taken me a long time (over 5 years) to settle on a configuration that serves my needs. To answer your question AlecN, I'd say settle on your glass first. I didn't. I jerked around with bodies for far too long (I wish I'd found the E-1 much earlier in my search - bought my first about 10 days ago, used it for the first time yesterday...and fell in love) and wasted funds that I could have invested in glass.

As far as the future is concerned, the EP-3 / EPL-3 is an intriguing prospect, and I wouldn't be surprised to see an E-7 on the shelves in the next 12-18 months with the new Oly sensor at its heart...but what I REALLY covet (that is just about affordable for my pocket) is the Zuiko 150mm. One day... :D


I go with Ceri on most counts ; Glass = Zuiko (50mm 1:2 MACRO ; Mk II 14-54 are invaluable; 50-200 either +or - SWD there is little diff except for fast moving objects) or some Sigma (Macro 150 & BIGMA).

I still have and use my E-1s THEY ARE SUPERB ! But the E-5 can capture just that bit more detail from the same glass ... I am looking for a second one ...

E-7 Ceri, I agree, I am sure it will be about quite soon :) I shall be glad when it comes out ... as lots of E-5 will float onto the market at reasonable prices ... :cool:

OlyPaul 20th November 2011 12:17 PM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Bowman (Post 141814)
The E3/5 viewfinder view was/is a major step up from the E1.

Really!!

The E-1 is a 100% view and very bright viewfinder, I'd be surprised if the E-3/E-5 was noticeably better, plus you never lose the eyecup from the E-1.;)

Alec I'd opt for the 50mm macro.

A few with the E-1 and 50mmf2 Macro.

http://www.pbase.com/paulsilkphotogr...e/60852311.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/paulsilkphotogr.../101257340.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/paulsilkphotogr...e/64258653.jpg

David M 20th November 2011 02:29 PM

Re: E-3 or new lense for E-1 for close ups?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OlyPaul (Post 141835)
Really!!

The E-1 is a 100% view and very bright viewfinder, I'd be surprised if the E-3/E-5 was noticeably better, plus you never lose the eyecup from the E-1.;)

Yes the E-3/E-5 is better than the E-1, it's brighter with more magnification and I've yet to have an eyecup come off let alone lose one.


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