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snaarman
13th February 2010, 02:03 PM
I recently decided to design my own custom strap to reduce the "pain in the neck" syndrome that goes with a conventional neck strap. I started with the Ystrap idea and added some extra requirements and came up with three variations on a theme. In each case, you end up with the strap over the right shoulder, with the camera hanging on your left side out of sight, about waist height.

I want to be able to get the camera to eye height quickly, I don't want straps in the way of the screen or viewfinder. I want to de-mount the camera easily for overhead or down on the ground shots. I don't trust those clip together plastic connectors (I had one fail once with no warning...) It all needs to be sturdy and discreet.

First of all, you need some basic components: Black 30mm webbing, matching plastic clips (slide lock and ladder lock), and a carabiner keyring thing. All from ebay. Here you go:

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/622/strap1.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21384)
Firstly, the carabiner keyring thing is a promotional item, not specifically intended to take weight: So I double stitched it to make certain it was strong enough. I then static load tested it with a 10Kilo guitar amp which it lifted with no problem :-) Next, you need 25mm nickel plated keyrings not 30mm ones, as these are too tight in E620 E510 stap lugs.

OK. Here is the Version 1 of the Snaarstrap. This makes a simple adjustable loop with about 1.4m of webbing. Melt the ends over the gas hob for a moment to stop them fraying, lace an end loop through the ladder lock catch properly with good solid stitching (several passes of polyester thread), turn over the other end and stitch it. Its really easy to mis-lace a ladder lock catch BTW... so check before you stitch it.


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/622/strap2.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21385)


Good points: Its simple to make, its adjustable, the carabiner slides along the strap which remains in one place on your back, and you can de-mount the camera quite easily - a bit like this:

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/622/strap5.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21388)

The keyring/carabiner bit does serve a useful purpose. It moves the strap away from your eyeline when you hold the camera up... a bit like this:

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/622/strap6.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21389)

Oh, and it conveniently reminds you that the pub might be open.



Less good points about the Version 1 design: If you put your outdoor jacket on before you pick the camera up, it has to live outside the jacket because the strap is a continuous loop. Doh!

So - here goes with Version 2. This takes the same approach as version 1 - but I put a second carabiner thing in the strap. You use a slide lock not a ladder lock. You need about 1.3m of webbing if you are slim-ish like me. Now you can split the strap to put it on under a jacket. Its do-able but fiddly.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/622/strap3.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21386)

The more I looked at the version 2 attempt the less I liked it. One problem is the carabiner and the adjuster can end up at the front next to the other carabiner after an hours photography. It all starts to look like an attempt on the north face of the Eiger...

I came to realise that the webbing is slippery enough that you can attach the camera to it at a single point, still lift it to eye height and have the webbing slide around your back to follow the camera without a problem.

So here is Version 3. This time the single carabiner takes both ends of the strap plus the keyring thing. The strap uses a slide lock and can still be split. I made it 1.5m to give me lots of adjustment so I can use it over a coat. You can still manouvre the camera as needed, you can still de-mount it quickly...

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/622/strap4.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21387)

You can rearrange this one to be a neck strap if you have a large ring or carabiner on the other end of the camera.

You could use the camera/keyring/carabiner on its own to clip the camera to your trousir waistband. However E3 owners with loose trousirs might care to consider this carefully first.

Finally - what goes on at the other end of the camera? Well I can't bring myself to use a camera with no strap at all, so I have fitted a simple adjustable wrist strap for the other end which looks rather better than this prototype..

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/622/E5067378.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21131)

But that (as they say) is another story..

There! I said it would be boring...

Pete

mike_j
13th February 2010, 04:16 PM
Have you seen this one - may give some ideas?

http://www.sun-sniper.com/index.php?id=sun_sniper_strap0&L=1

Main trouble with yours it didn't seem to have any storage for the Ruddles County it advertised :D

iMac
13th February 2010, 09:52 PM
Word of caution on the keyring - the part that you push to open, if the strap slides around to the side that you push on and then pressure is applied it will open. I have my work keys on this same type of link and clip it to my belt loop and have almost lost my keys a couple of time, I think it happened getting in and out of the car. I sure wouldn't be depending on that type of clip to secure my camera.

BobS
13th February 2010, 10:00 PM
Have you seen this one - may give some ideas?

http://www.sun-sniper.com/index.php?id=sun_sniper_strap0&L=1

Main trouble with yours it didn't seem to have any storage for the Ruddles County it advertised :D

I have just looked at the sun-sniper link. Does the strap come with the extra large waste/stomach padding/cushioning it appears it needs, as shown in picture 7 :)

I think Pete's photos and instructions are excellent and I feel sure that with a couple more caribiners and a foot or two of webbing, he could attach a couple of six packs.:D

Bob

snaarman
13th February 2010, 10:22 PM
Word of caution on the keyringI sure wouldn't be depending on that type of clip to secure my camera.

That is a fair comment, I will keep an eye on it. You can of course get screw locking carabiners - climbers trust their lives to them :-)

Pete

David M
13th February 2010, 10:28 PM
That is a fair comment, I will keep an eye on it. You can of course get screw locking carabiners - climbers trust their lives to them :-)

Pete

I've seen a cheap aluminium carabiner pull open fairly easily by the hook starting to straighten so I'd recommend using the screw locking type.

shenstone
14th February 2010, 06:46 PM
I agree with the concerns that the type of cheap snaplink Crabs (Climbers terms - have you got your Crabw with you is treated as a normal; sentance) used here do have quite a reputation for failing unexpectedly expecially with transverse strain across the gate

The screwgates that people mention would be too bulky for this use, but if you are not needing to connect and disconnect this link quickly then there is a perfect and cheap solution in the 3 mm Delta maillon rapide

Here's a link from one of the UK caving shops I know - you may find them closer, but they are quite specialist so your local shops may not stock them

http://www.caving-supplies.co.uk/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/62069%7C%7Cmaillon~@c~@b%7C0%7Cuser%7C1,0,0,1%7C31

I hope the strap works for you whatever you use

Regards
Andy

snaarman
14th February 2010, 06:57 PM
I agree with the concerns that the type of cheap snaplink Crabs

Here's a link from one of the UK caving shops I know - you may find them closer, but they are quite specialist so your local shops may not stock them

http://www.caving-supplies.co.uk/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/62069%7C%7Cmaillon~@c~@b%7C0%7Cuser%7C1,0,0,1%7C31 (http://www.caving-supplies.co.uk/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/62069%7C%7Cmaillon%7E@c%7E@b%7C0%7Cuser%7C1,0,0,1% 7C31)

I hope the strap works for you whatever you use

Regards
Andy

Hmm. That's an interesting product - I use the oval version but I have never seen the triangular one. I might give them a try, as they are not too pricey. They are not quite as Q-R as a crab, but it bears investigation.

Thus far the strap seems ok for me - cerainly less neck ache. I've used it for a few days now without any dramas. I don't think there is a single perfect solution, but I will keep investigating.

Pete

David M
15th February 2010, 02:27 PM
Hmm. That's an interesting product - I use the oval version but I have never seen the triangular one. I might give them a try, as they are not too pricey. They are not quite as Q-R as a crab, but it bears investigation.

Pete

Another alternative would be to put a key ring on the other end of the short strap and then use a snap hook on the main strap.

Graham_of_Rainham
15th February 2010, 02:55 PM
I made a tiny modification to the one Pete sent me:

I wrapped some double sided tape around the gate of the karabina then reattached the "Ruddles keyring strap" with the small loop over the gate and the ring into the larger loop.

This serves two purposes. One the gate is always held shut by the weight of the camera and two the karabina is held in a way that the main strap always slides on the straight part of the karabina, which makes it slide much smoother by preventing the strap from moving into the rounded ends.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/E3159294.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21496)

I've got an all day shoot on Wednesday so will report back on the 1st "Field Trial" :D

snaarman
15th February 2010, 03:43 PM
I made a tiny modification to the one Pete sent me:

I wrapped some double sided tape around the gate of the karabina then reattached the "Ruddles keyring strap" with the small loop over the gate and the ring into the larger loop.

This serves two purposes. One the gate is always held shut by the weight of the camera and two the karabina is held in a way that the main strap always slides on the straight part of the karabina, which makes it slide much smoother by preventing the strap from moving into the rounded ends.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/E3159294.JPG (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21496)

I've got an all day shoot on Wednesday so will report back on the 1st "Field Trial" :D


Woo, that is inventive... Let me know :-)


Pete

Graham_of_Rainham
17th February 2010, 07:29 PM
Pete,

Just completed an all day shoot using the straps and while everything else aches the neck is fine. Your strap worked brilliantly, while I need to do a slight mod on my one to make it adjust easier.

I've also decided that there is a real need for a short strap across the top of the camera so that you can easily pick it out and put it in the backpack.

By Mk III it will be perfect :D

*chr

snaarman
17th February 2010, 10:17 PM
Pete,

Just completed an all day shoot using the straps and while everything else aches the neck is fine. Your strap worked brilliantly, while I need to do a slight mod on my one to make it adjust easier.

I've also decided that there is a real need for a short strap across the top of the camera so that you can easily pick it out and put it in the backpack.

By Mk III it will be perfect :D

*chr


Excellent news.. as you say - roll on Mk III

I have equally been using a version of this strap for some tech photography for work. Photographing up a ladder with twin off camera triggered flash. I used the home made wrist strap on the rhs of the camera and the Snaarstrap clipped or unclipped on the lhs.

Once you get used to the slightly uncomfortable idea of hanging the camera from one strap lug - its ok..

Pete

snaarman
15th September 2011, 07:25 AM
I thought I would update this thread to report I have been Snaarstrapping for 18 months now with no problems.

It has certainly eased the neck pain thing, though with the camera strung on my left and the camera bag slung on the right I must look like special forces from the back....

Meanwhile: Yes I do hang the E-1 by one ear, and yes, it's fine. Maybe I should switch to locking carabiners, but otherwise the home made strap idea works for me.

E-1 owners look away now...


http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/622/60114447A.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/38833)

Pete

Chevvyf1
15th September 2011, 07:53 AM
VERY interesting *yes

StephenL
15th September 2011, 09:17 AM
Oh my poor baby! Hanging by one ear! And you promised to take care of it! *sob *sob

snaarman
15th September 2011, 09:27 AM
Oh my poor baby! Hanging by one ear! And you promised to take care of it! *sob *sob

Told you not to look :-)

P

David Morison
15th September 2011, 11:09 AM
Anyone concerned about strength of shackles etc. may want to look at something like this:

http://www.sailboats.co.uk/Catalogue~Rwo_Captive_Shackle_L25mm_W15mm~p_R6182~ c4716.html

Designed to cope with huge loads in sailboat rigging and I have never known one fail even in severe gale. Obtainable in various sizes, profiles and strengths - this is about the smallest and cost only 2.18.

I use this strap on my E30:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quality-Quick-Release-Oxford-Olympus/dp/B004DJMNCC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1316083714&sr=8-1

Forget about the plastic base plate, mine cracked after just a couple of months but I use it thus:

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P9157880.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/38834)

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P9157881.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/38835)

It has the advantage of a heavily padded shoulder strap and the shackle slides on the strap.

It also fits the E5 but as the strap rings are recessed it will rub on the casing.

David

StephenL
15th September 2011, 11:51 AM
That's a nice clip for that sort of strap mounting. Be good for my G3.

DekHog
15th September 2011, 08:01 PM
That's a nice clip for that sort of strap mounting. Be good for my G3.

I couldn't find lobster clasp clips with the flat end for the two straps I made, but these (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lobster-Clasp-Swivel-Hook-Keyring-Organizer-Key-Chain-/300599064184?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item45fd19b678#ht_1996wt_1185) work great for 15mm webbing - ideal for a PEN or Panny body....

MotoCroz
5th October 2011, 07:47 PM
I was thinking of using this but connecting the the clips on one side like a snaarstrap, but dont know if it will be comfortable.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pacsafe-CarrySafe-Theft-Camera-Strap/dp/B000TCU1Z8/ref=pd_cp_ce_4

plus was wondering if anybody has tried using a short strap connected to the shoulder straps on a rucksac, hate the way the camera swings when walking up steep hills etc. Like the first section of the original snaarstrap.

Top marks for design by the way

BobS
6th October 2011, 07:33 AM
I was thinking of using this but connecting the the clips on one side like a snaarstrap, but dont know if it will be comfortable.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pacsafe-CarrySafe-Theft-Camera-Strap/dp/B000TCU1Z8/ref=pd_cp_ce_4

plus was wondering if anybody has tried using a short strap connected to the shoulder straps on a rucksac, hate the way the camera swings when walking up steep hills etc. Like the first section of the original snaarstrap.

Top marks for design by the way

I have not tried this but I think that the ability to unhook the bulk of the strap easily is a great asset when attaching the camera to a tripod. Dangling strap syndrome!

Thanks for posting.

snaarman
6th October 2011, 08:49 AM
I've used the strange one sided strap approach on my three cameras for quite a while, and I wouldn't go back to a neck strap again.

There is a small irritation. Bear in mind the strap goes over one shoulder and the camera hangs down by the other hip. So if you put the camera on before your jacket, its kinda stuck under there :)

P

StephenL
6th October 2011, 09:39 AM
There is a small irritation. Bear in mind the strap goes over one shoulder and the camera hangs down by the other hip. So if you put the camera on before your jacket, its kinda stuck under there :)

P

You just need to think like a woman. In my experience, they can get allsorts out from under coats, shirts, etc., if you get my meaning ;)

snaarman
6th October 2011, 10:44 AM
You just need to think like a woman. In my experience, they can get allsorts out from under coats, shirts, etc., if you get my meaning ;)

Yes.. know what you mean :)

MotoCroz
27th November 2011, 09:39 PM
Added this to a couple of related posts, its an idea that stops the camera falling if a bottom mount system is used.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ytTZqU0okE