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Ian
8th October 2009, 11:03 AM
It's early days, but I have been discussing with Olympus UK the possibility of reviving the proposal to run a rental service for selected high-end Zuiko Digital lenses and accessories like the pro flash units, here in the UK, in partnership with Olympus.

It has now reach the stage that I can go public and seek your feedback on the proposed service. Olympus will provide the gear, and retain ownership, but my company will operate the rental service.

It's in Olympus' interest to get more people to try these fairly exclusive lenses and accessories; hopefully after sampling their delights, some of you will be persuaded to buy them! On the other hand, if you could never afford to own one of these items, you may be interested in using one for a limited time for an appropriate fee.

Just as I run the e-group site for Olympus for a (modest!) commercial fee, the proposed rental service would be commercially operated by us for Olympus.

I have no idea how popular this service might be, which is why I'm keen to hear your response to the idea. Certainly at this stage the stock of kit will be reasonably modest in numbers, for example. Pricing is another sensitive area that we need to consider.

I can say that we aim to offer all the Top Pro lenses, like the 300 f/2.8, 90-250 f/2.8, 150 f/2, 14-35 f/2, 7-14 f/4, for example, plus the twin-flash and ring-flash units, etc. We might be able to add mid-range lenses if there is demand.

In a sense, it's an experiment and once we start, it will have to be operated as a trial. But if it works, is popular, and everyone is satisfied, I'll see if we can develop the service further!

So if you have any questions, please don't hesitate!

Ian

Nick Temple-Fry
8th October 2009, 11:12 AM
Discount rates for e-group members in good standing?:D

(Sorry - but if you don't ask...)

Actually I think it is a great idea and congratulate Ian for taking it on. This fills a major hole in the 'professional' Olympus marketplace.

My one fear is that if I borrowed a 300 or the 90-250, how could I ever give bring myself to give it back?

Nick

benvendetta
8th October 2009, 11:18 AM
Such a scheme is long overdue although it has been talked about for some time. Bring it on!*yes

dbutch
8th October 2009, 11:23 AM
Certainly would be interested in trying a 35-100 in the studio for a shoot or two

Look forward to hearing more details

How would you plan to distribute?

Dave

Nick Temple-Fry
8th October 2009, 11:30 AM
Adding a couple of back-up E-3 bodies might not be a bad idea - it would remove some of the critcism of the 'repair' period.

Just an idea

Nick

photo_owl
8th October 2009, 11:39 AM
Adding a couple of back-up E-3 bodies might not be a bad idea - it would remove some of the critcism of the 'repair' period.

Just an idea

Nick

very solid idea Nick - use the infastructure and deposit system for a valuable secondary function.

as the the original - it's going to come down to price and convienence; I would certainly like to try the 90-250 one weekend to see just how much practical difference it makes to me over the 50-200. that with a view to buying.

otoh I can see me hiring a 14-35/35-100 for a specific event rather than buying - if you get my drift.

I hope it goes well Ian.

snaarman
8th October 2009, 11:52 AM
Great idea. There are quite a few posh lenses I would like to try, but could never afford. :)

There are some of the semi pro ones I would like to try and might be able to afford.... It would be great to try them without being under pressure in a shop..

Pete

EH1
8th October 2009, 11:55 AM
I have always been amazed that you can`t hire Olympus lenses! so much so that I was considering starting my own hire business a while ago, but decided this risks outweighed the rewards! (as the insurance side of things was a mine field). So it gets a BIG thumbs up from me as I have wanted to try out the 300mm for as long as I can remember, as I am seriously interested in buying one! *chr

Ian
8th October 2009, 12:13 PM
Insurance is going to be a big challenge to get sorted! We're looking into the options now.

I'll look into camera bodies, but we can't confuse the hire service with Olympus' repair service. If you need to hire a body because your usual camera is being repaired, that's fine, but you will still need to pay a rental fee.

I'm curious to know if anybody has experience of renting photographic equipment.

Ian

EH1
8th October 2009, 12:19 PM
I once hired a C**on eos 1ds :o back in my pap days! :o

JackBenedict
8th October 2009, 12:25 PM
A fanatastic achievement if Ian pulls it off,although the insurance side might be a bit more difficult to arrange.

For me also the hire of different bodies would be a absoute gem. I wouldn't in the least mind paying for the priviledge of trying out say an E3 or E30 body as a possible future upgrade from my current model.

As an added idea would you consider the possibility of adding to the inventory of stock by acquiring second hand lenses from the forum,or such like. I never had a bad one from this forum.

Ian
8th October 2009, 12:43 PM
Some hire companies place the entire liability with the renter. Calumet does, for example. Would that be acceptable to you?

Ian

Ken Lister
8th October 2009, 01:12 PM
Perhaps great potential for owners of kit only lenses to also try out some of the pro range, 12-60, 50-200 etc for special events, weddings etc, or linked with hire of an E3 or E30 for a try before you buy experience. it would certainly interest me.

EH1
8th October 2009, 01:17 PM
Some hire companies place the entire liability with the renter. Calumet does, for example. Would that be acceptable to you?

Ian
I think this is the only way you can do it!

BTW. Could you do a deal with Olympus, so that if someone hired a piece of kit, & then as a result went out & purchased that bit of kit, then they could claim their hire money back ? ( I think Olympus would sell alot more this way & have happier customers! so it could be a win win situation). ;)

Ian
8th October 2009, 01:34 PM
I think this is the only way you can do it!

BTW. Could you do a deal with Olympus, so that if someone hired a piece of kit, & then as a result went out & purchased that bit of kit, then they could claim their hire money back ? ( I think Olympus would sell alot more this way & have happier customers! so it could be a win win situation). ;)

That sounds like a good idea :)

I have come across one company, so far, which offers insurance via a third party underwriter - we're looking into that option.

Ian

yorky
8th October 2009, 01:58 PM
Possibly not quite in this remit but...camera Insurance is a bit of a minefield for mere enthusiasts. Has anyone got any experiance of reliable camera insurence for amateurs?

Ian
8th October 2009, 03:03 PM
Possibly not quite in this remit but...camera Insurance is a bit of a minefield for mere enthusiasts. Has anyone got any experiance of reliable camera insurence for amateurs?

We use Towergate Camerasure for our insurance, and our quite happy with them. I think they are more aimed at professional insurance, though.

You could use your house contents insurers, but recommend contacting them and ensuring they know what you have and you knowing from them what they will insure.

Ian

Ian
8th October 2009, 03:08 PM
That sounds like a good idea :)

I have come across one company, so far, which offers insurance via a third party underwriter - we're looking into that option.

Ian

This turns out to be quite promising; for regulatory reasons we can't be an agent for the insurance company, so we would be insured by them. The cost is not prohibitive as long as we reach a certain level of business!

Ian

Xpres
8th October 2009, 03:18 PM
Interesting idea!
As it happens I'm wondering whether to get a wide ZD for a project over the next few months. My first thought when I need Wide is film as I have the stuff but....*ohwell ...the rental thing could be an opportunity to try something out. I noticed in the BJP this week that Jacobs have a 50% offer on their rentals - but no ZD I think.
Last time I tried the 7-14 with an E1 I wasn't that impressed but I'd try it again with a newer camera.

jonesy
8th October 2009, 03:26 PM
Its a brilliant idea, and one I would be interested in! There are lenses I would love to try, but wouldnt want to buy until I'd given them a good test-drive... tho I doubt I would ever be able to justify a top of the range lens :(

Ian
8th October 2009, 03:54 PM
I think it will take at least a couple of weeks to get the show on the road as we need to set up various things with Olympus and the insurer. But the more I research the project, the less worried I am by potential stumbling blocks.

Ian

theMusicMan
8th October 2009, 04:13 PM
Ian - contact Stuart on this site - http://www.lensesforhire.co.uk/

Not sure how much he would be willing to help in offering advice etc as you're in competition with him - though he doesn't offer Oly kit for hire.

He's also a member on TalkPhotography - I'd do it for you, but I no longer visit there after the pros on that site started getting way too up themselves and not liking the [wedding] competition.

Ian
8th October 2009, 04:25 PM
Ian - contact Stuart on this site - http://www.lensesforhire.co.uk/

Not sure how much he would be willing to help in offering advice etc as you're in competition with him - though he doesn't offer Oly kit for hire.

He's also a member on TalkPhotography - I'd do it for you, but I no longer visit there after the pros on that site started getting way too up themselves and not liking the [wedding] competition.

Thanks John, I don't think we're actually competing with anyone, to be honest :) Nobody else rents Olympus gear as far as I can see. I have already looked at lensesforhire.co.uk, it's been very useful. Their business model is quite different to ours as they have had to fund the acquisition of their stock. This means we don't need to charge as much, though that statement is dependent on how popular our service will be as there are some minimum costs involved.

Ian

DerekC
8th October 2009, 11:05 PM
What an excellent idea a thank you to Ian & Olympus. I bought a 90-250 earlier this year I love the lens but it would have been nice to try before buying. The only try I got was on the Olympus stand at Focus. I thought it would be good for my fav subject motorsport and I was not wrong. No buyer remorse.

Snibbo
8th October 2009, 11:25 PM
Great idea. I would certainly consider using it if I lived in the UK and I may in fact use it on future visits to the UK as my UK base is not very far from Ian's location.

Zuiko
9th October 2009, 12:26 AM
Great idea, Ian.

Would there be minimum/maximum periods for hire and (maybe) a discount on the daily rate if hiring for, say, at least a week?

This service would be brilliant for someone like me who, for example, couldn't afford to buy a 7-14mm but would like one to take on holiday for a week. :)

theMusicMan
9th October 2009, 06:31 AM
What an excellent idea a thank you to Ian & Olympus. I bought a 90-250 earlier this year I love the lens but it would have been nice to try before buying. The only try I got was on the Olympus stand at Focus. I thought it would be good for my fav subject motorsport and I was not wrong. No buyer remorse.
Hi Derek - would love to see some results from this beast if you are willing?

sapper
9th October 2009, 07:27 AM
I would be interested Ian. I have been able to use one or two lenses on the UK safari outings I have been on, but to have a 90-250 for a few days would be good.
I have hired specialist kit in a previous life but cannot remember prices, who was responsible Etc. From Jessops if I remember.

The Saint
9th October 2009, 07:30 AM
Ian

This is a great achievement.

There three principle reasons I can see the hire scheme will be required for: -

1. Try before you buy, therefore I would suggest that having pro/top pro lenses and various current camera bodies. If I'm going to shell out 500+ I would rather spend a little cash and try one before I invest.

2. Hire for a specific event, I was considering last week about getting a 35-100 as I have a couple of weddings to shoot next year for friends and spending 1,800 for two events seamed a little excessive speacially as I'm doing them as a favour.

3. As a short term replacement when your current equipment is in for service/broken, but you still need to shoot. Probably good for pro shooters.

In terms of insurance, I think either you need to include it or offer/direct where to get it. I don't think many house insurance policies would cover a 5,500 ZD300 f2.8 and the insurance would only be required for a few days.

I guess the last thing to consider is how to get the equipment from you to the user and back. I don't know where you or the equipment will be located but to make the best of the service it needs to be made widely available.

Have you been in contact with Sigma to see if they would join the scheme? Access to their range of macro lenses and the Bigma/Sigmonster could also be a useful addition to the hire scheme.

Anyway good work and I hope the venture is very sucessful.

Simon

Ian
9th October 2009, 07:38 AM
I'm confident that insurance cost will be factored into the cost of the rental. There may be some exclusions - for example, we wouldn't be able hire equipment to anyone under 18 without a full deposit to the value of the kit.

Most rentals would require a courier to and from the customer, although arrangements could be made for personal collection and return, where appropriate.

Ian

Ian
9th October 2009, 07:41 AM
Great idea, Ian.

Would there be minimum/maximum periods for hire and (maybe) a discount on the daily rate if hiring for, say, at least a week?

This service would be brilliant for someone like me who, for example, couldn't afford to buy a 7-14mm but would like one to take on holiday for a week. :)

There would probably be a minimum hire period of 3 days. I don't yet know if we would offer discounts for longer hire periods. The equipment is limited in numbers and we'd aim to enable as many people as possible to have access to what we have.

Ian

baldyb
9th October 2009, 09:00 AM
As I am still very much a novice I too would be very interested in this scheme as I would be able to really see, test and appreciate the difference in the bodies and lenses across the range.
I'll watch developments with anticipation!!*yes

ChrisW
9th October 2009, 09:32 AM
I would also be very interested in a hire scheme.

pasterw
9th October 2009, 03:53 PM
Very exciting news indeed! Would be interested in getting my hands on a 150/2 or 300/2.8....

Wolfgang

tlove
9th October 2009, 04:37 PM
This is a fantastic idea Ian - I wouldn't dare hire either the 90-250 or 300mm for myself though, as I would be totally distraught when they had to be returned :D:D!

Thea

stevednp3
9th October 2009, 05:11 PM
This is great Ian - Please, Please do it,as I would hire on a regular basis, there are times when I need pro lenses for events and would be great to hire for a few days rather than investing 1000 in a new bit of kit that would only be used a few times a year.

But then again like you say, once you have tried a high end lens, it may be hard to go back and possibily find the cash to purchase one, so olympus will win new orders im sure *chr

Ray Shotter
10th October 2009, 10:44 AM
Ian,

If you are able to set up such a rental service for amateurs (ie the hire rates would have to be realistic to an amateur who is not anticipating making money out of the hire !) but is seriously considering buying one of the expensive lenses, then I think it is a great idea. For example, I have been considering the purchase of the 14-35mm f/2.0 lens for the past couple of years and recently bought the Pansonic Leica 25mm f/1.4 as a compromise. So far I have yet to evaluate the lens but would have loved the opportunity to hire the 14-35mm f/2.0 instead.

Ray.

Ian
15th October 2009, 02:18 PM
OK guys, what would be a fair and reasonable hire fee for, say, a 7-14mm f/4 lens, for 3, 7 and 14 day rental periods, including VAT?

The plan is for us to be insured (not the renter, for regulatory reasons) but there would be an excess of around 150 if an item was lost or damaged, which we would need to recover from you (so a 150 deposit would be required). If the loss was due to negligence or fraud, you could be charged the full value of the item. Shipping would be extra (you could collect and return yourself, if it was convenient).

Thanks,

Ian

stevednp3
15th October 2009, 02:40 PM
Hi Ian

I would think around the 40 mark would be reasonable for a 7 day hire, not sure about the deposit though, can't you offer a deposit and non deposit option so that you can charge extra for a non deposit hire and also the same with the insurance.

You can cover yourself with terms and conditions that the hirer accepts and hires the lens at their own risk !

Cheers

Steve

Ian
15th October 2009, 03:56 PM
Hi Ian

I would think around the 40 mark would be reasonable for a 7 day hire, not sure about the deposit though, can't you offer a deposit and non deposit option so that you can charge extra for a non deposit hire and also the same with the insurance.

You can cover yourself with terms and conditions that the hirer accepts and hires the lens at their own risk !

Cheers

Steve

This insurance and deposit issues are difficult, but of course we need to cover ourselves. We're still in the processing of working out a suitable policy and options, which is why I'm interested in feedback like this :)

Ian

Xpres
15th October 2009, 04:14 PM
Surely the deposit could be just reserved on a card without being charged, like one would with car rental.

Delivery and return should be thought through carefully. Some people may not too hot on packing up the gear to return, I guess the insurance would cover that as negligence.

If I rented something I'd much rather collect.

pasterw
15th October 2009, 05:14 PM
Just reserving the deposit on a card without being charged would be definitely a good idea. On the other hand, the highest priority is protection against fraud (there a some really nasty people out there...).

Thinking along these lines, the rental fee has to include the delivery and picking up of the parcel at the end of the rental period by a reputable (insured & trackable) courier service. I guess that's the reason for the rather high rental fees out there (check http://www.lensrentals.com). Hopefully the prices can be much lower than on lensrental.com!?! Of course pickup should be possible.

Wolfgang

baldyb
15th October 2009, 05:40 PM
The reserve deposit scheme, yes, good idea. and presumably less to administer as no actual charge and refund would be made.

I have never used courier services but wouldn't it mean someone having to calculate costs according to the destination distance on each rental, as opposed to using Royal Mail Special Delivery (assuming they arent on strike!) where flat rate charges apply?

Kevin

stevednp3
15th October 2009, 06:04 PM
I think the reserve deposit is also a good idea. I just think coughing up 150 for a 20 - 40 hire may put off a lot of people, but then you do need to cover yourself, the other lens hire sites out there must have a fairly good system in place if there are still managing to trade, so steal it, no point in re-inventing the wheel *chr

The package is another point, might be worth looking at re-usable box of some kind that you can tell the hirer to send back in the box that it was supplied in, this should cover the insurance and also your piece of mind.

This company may have something - http://www.transpack.co.uk

yellergixer
15th October 2009, 08:21 PM
Hi Ian after last Sundays Scotland meet I'd also love to hire lenses, I'd say for at least 3 occasions a year, these would be British Superbikes held locally, the annual RAF open day and the last bike race meet of the year for example. There would also be other non regular occasions so if lens hire did become available I'd be a definate customer.

On the packaging suggestions made so far, I'd also suggest some form of permanent packaging that would go with the lenses, this way there would be no excuses for damage either way, but dont forget all couriers will have insurance anyway should all go pear shaped*erm

smartwombat
15th October 2009, 08:34 PM
I'd be happy with the refundable charge on the credit card for the deposit.

Even with my own specialist photographic insurance, I would be willing to pay specifically for insurance to cover the equipment rental, since my insurance is for my own equipment.

On the packing side, this is defnitely an issue!
From lensrentals.com "The failure rate for the Sigma 120-300 is still high, but much better than it used to be. We think this is because we’ve changed the way we pack this particular lens. We no longer see the very high failure rate after shipping that we once did."

This is a classic! (http://www.lensrentals.com/news/2008.10.30/front-element-scratches) http://www.lensrentals.com/news/2008.10.30/front-element-scratches

Zuiko
15th October 2009, 09:46 PM
I'd be happy with the refundable charge on the credit card for the deposit.

Even with my own specialist photographic insurance, I would be willing to pay specifically for insurance to cover the equipment rental, since my insurance is for my own equipment.

On the packing side, this is defnitely an issue!
From lensrentals.com "The failure rate for the Sigma 120-300 is still high, but much better than it used to be. We think this is because weve changed the way we pack this particular lens. We no longer see the very high failure rate after shipping that we once did."

This is a classic! (http://www.lensrentals.com/news/2008.10.30/front-element-scratches) http://www.lensrentals.com/news/2008.10.30/front-element-scratches

That link is a must! :eek::D

Ray Shotter
16th October 2009, 10:36 AM
Just reserving the deposit on a card without being charged would be definitely a good idea. On the other hand, the highest priority is protection against fraud (there a some really nasty people out there...).

Thinking along these lines, the rental fee has to include the delivery and picking up of the parcel at the end of the rental period by a reputable (insured & trackable) courier service. I guess that's the reason for the rather high rental fees out there (check http://www.lensrentals.com). Hopefully the prices can be much lower than on lensrental.com!?! Of course pickup should be possible.

Wolfgang

Ian,

I think Stevednp3's suggestion of 40 for 7 days hire is probably the maximum which could be charged to attract sufficient custom (but 35 might be more reasonable since secure delivery wil be costly). Secure delivery and return will tend to make it expensive to hire because it is bound to cost at least 12 if carried by a trackable courier or Royal Mail Special Delivery (next day). There may be a problem with guaranteeing delivery and return dates also and if the lens was delayed for any reason then the recipent would be upset if he/she didn't get his/her full 7 days hire period.

I personally would like to avoid the 150 deposit but recognise that it is an essential feature and therefore robust returnable packaging will be necessary to ensure lenses are not damaged in transit.

Personally, I would be unlikely to hire for less than 7 days but imagine others might not need more than 3 days. So 5 per day plus 12 to include both delivery and return costs and a 150 deposit would be reasonable to me.

By the way www.lensrental.com are charging approximately 45 for 7 days for this lens and 15.60 for delivery.

Ray.

Ian
16th October 2009, 11:07 AM
I'd like to remind everyone that lensrentals.com is in the US and we all know about US prices compared to UK prices!

For comparison, the Canon EF 16-35 II is available from them at $78 (insured) for 7 days, or about 50 at a realistic exchange rate. Here in the UK, lensesforhire.co.uk charge 59.25 including insurance and VAT, or around $95. This lens is roughly the same replacement value as a 7-14 Zuiko.

I'm not sure, but I think the shipping cost in the US is for 2 day delivery, too, not next day.

Our aim is to ship the lens in a large, strong, well padded box, that we would request the renter to return the lens in, packed and secured to a similar standard that it was received in. The lens would also be contained in its own carry case or pouch, sometimes within its own original box.

Ian

dbutch
16th October 2009, 11:41 AM
I think people have to understand what is being offered here

Firstly Ian has to operate this as a viable business

Secondly why hire a lens? I see 3 reasons

1 - Want to try before you buy - if there is some kind of incentive to get part or partial refund of what you have spent then that needs to be a consideration in your decision to hire - if your serious then you won't mind paying as you should see it back.

2 - Once in a lifetime occasion - If you are doing or going somewhere special and want to make the most, I don't know say going on Safari - how much would the 300mm f2.8 mean to you for that trip? You decide but say 150 to capture that magic picture sounds a bargain to me.

3 - You are a working pro/semi pro and need a particular lens for a job - if that is the case then the cost gets factored into what you charge, its still cheaper than buying it.

If there is a 4th reason then I guess it is one of someone just wanting a play alas luxuries cost

Sorry didn't mean to sound grumpy, I see this as something that will help promote Olympus and can only aid us Olympus users

Dave

Nick Temple-Fry
16th October 2009, 12:21 PM
I'd like to remind everyone that lensrentals.com is in the US and we all know about US prices compared to UK prices!

For comparison, the Canon EF 16-35 II is available from them at $78 (insured) for 7 days, or about 50 at a realistic exchange rate. Here in the UK, lensesforhire.co.uk charge 59.25 including insurance and VAT, or around $95. This lens is roughly the same replacement value as a 7-14 Zuiko.

I'm not sure, but I think the shipping cost in the US is for 2 day delivery, too, not next day.

Our aim is to ship the lens in a large, strong, well padded box, that we would request the renter to return the lens in, packed and secured to a similar standard that it was received in. The lens would also be contained in its own carry case or pouch, sometimes within its own original box.

Ian

While Ian was posting this I wrote a few random numbers on the back of an envelope - and substituting in the price of a 7-14 I got 58 per week including VAT/Insurance but excluding delivery (say 8 end of next day).

Now my guesses at figures may be totally wrong - but I suggest they are in the right order and unless the business is a great success will be unlikely to make Ian and Julia particularly rich (but may pay for the occaisional first class train ticket :)).

So lets not set unrealistic expectations - at prices around or a little above this amount it will be great to have this service available.

I doubt if it would be in the interest of Olympus for Ian to offer this service at a price so low as to act as a bar to other providers entering the market.

Now, can I put my name down at the top of a list to buy ex-rental stock, probably the only way I will afford lenses like the 90-250. And in two to three years time I may just have saved enough.

Nick

Ian
16th October 2009, 03:22 PM
After a meeting this afternoon with the powers that be at Olympus this afternoon, it looks like we're going ahead on a trial basis. The stock inventory is being sorted out and once we know what we have to offer, we can arrange the insurance and produce the rental agreement documentation, etc. This may still take a few weeks, but I will keep you posted.

I'm still working on pricing, but I hope I can pleasantly surprise most of you on that front.

We're certainly not going to get rich on this project, but every little bit helps!

Ian

Ian
16th October 2009, 03:24 PM
While Ian was posting this I wrote a few random numbers on the back of an envelope - and substituting in the price of a 7-14 I got 58 per week including VAT/Insurance but excluding delivery (say 8 end of next day).

Now my guesses at figures may be totally wrong - but I suggest they are in the right order and unless the business is a great success will be unlikely to make Ian and Julia particularly rich (but may pay for the occaisional first class train ticket :)).

So lets not set unrealistic expectations - at prices around or a little above this amount it will be great to have this service available.

I doubt if it would be in the interest of Olympus for Ian to offer this service at a price so low as to act as a bar to other providers entering the market.

Now, can I put my name down at the top of a list to buy ex-rental stock, probably the only way I will afford lenses like the 90-250. And in two to three years time I may just have saved enough.

Nick

We're aiming to be a fair bit cheaper than that, Nick, though maybe not as cheap as 40 for a week. The aim is to be significantly cheaper than the going rate for the same value lens offered in Nikon and Canon form by other rental services.

Ian

Graham_of_Rainham
16th October 2009, 03:37 PM
This is sounding better at each posting *yes

While there will be the obvious "High" demand periods, as Nick has called it on the "end of rental" purchase, can I get first call on it for 27 July-12 Aug 2012 and 29 Aug-9 Sept 2012 :D

*chr

yellergixer
16th October 2009, 07:45 PM
This is sounding great, I cant wait till Knockhill next year now, imagine how good these would be with something quicker and bigger than a kit lens.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/yellergixer/Crash1238.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/yellergixer/Crash2239.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/yellergixer/Crash3240.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/yellergixer/Crash4241.jpg

70-200 perhaps or even that 150F2 I got to use last Sunday. I really hope this comes off :D

EH1
17th October 2009, 12:26 PM
This is sounding great, I cant wait till Knockhill next year now, imagine how good these would be with something quicker and bigger than a kit lens.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/yellergixer/Crash1238.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/yellergixer/Crash2239.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/yellergixer/Crash3240.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/yellergixer/Crash4241.jpg

70-200 perhaps or even that 150F2 I got to use last Sunday. I really hope this comes off :D


OUCH!.......Fantastic pictures ;)

matteoprez
19th October 2009, 01:43 PM
Well, it is a good idea after all. I understand the risks in hiring such precious pieces of equipment, but I am sure we'll all be caring and careful while using them. And of course, we'll always return them in time...

theMusicMan
19th October 2009, 02:26 PM
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your reply there Matteo...? :)

I guess Ian will need to have a penalty clause for delay in returning the lenses - which if not arranged prior to their scheduled return, just has to be more expensive than the costs of regular hire.

When lenses are not returned on time, this is doing someone else out of their use who may have booked it.

matteoprez
19th October 2009, 02:42 PM
Nah! No sarcasm :)

But I do agree returning the lenses right on time would be of paramount importance. After all, it's all too tempting to keep them for a 'bit' longer (and I throw myself, too in the mix!)

Besides, the hiring scheme is a very interesting one. I always try out properly a lens before buying it, and hiring would definitely be the way to go. And there are other situations in which you just need that particular lens for one occasion, or two only.

For instance, I so want to try out the 150mm f2 right now. And it's so damn expensive...

theMusicMan
19th October 2009, 02:45 PM
What is it about the 150mm range that makes this lens so appealing to you...? Of course, I am not suggesting that this isn't a brilliant lens, but at 150mm this seems in the middle of the fl range to me.

dbutch
19th October 2009, 02:58 PM
Funny isn't it back in film days a 300mm lens was a supertelephoto it now covered by a kit lens and lots of us own a 600mm equiv and complain we get camera shake:D

matteoprez
19th October 2009, 03:08 PM
When shooting live gigs, well that's a hell of a lens to be using.
And it might be quite handful in street photography, too. Not to manshion in fashion; you have quite a soft, beautiful bokeh (although I would not be using it much for that, I think).

Invicta
19th October 2009, 08:47 PM
Sounds a great idea.

I could imagine hiring one of the top pro lens for a week-end event in 2010.

After handling some of these I guess postage both ways would add up. Any chance of visiting in person to collect and return?

AlistairJ
28th October 2009, 03:47 PM
Hi Ian,

I think this is a great idea. If I might suggest in addition to the top pro lenses, you include the 8mm fisheye in the lineup? Its the sort of lens that many would like to use but can't justify the cost of ownership.

Ian
28th October 2009, 03:58 PM
Funny isn't it back in film days a 300mm lens was a supertelephoto it now covered by a kit lens and lots of us own a 600mm equiv and complain we get camera shake:D

I used to use some really bad cheapo T2 mount 300 amd 500mm telephotos :D - and then bolt on cheapo 2x tele converters!

Those were the days!

Ian

Ian
28th October 2009, 04:01 PM
Hi Ian,

I think this is a great idea. If I might suggest in addition to the top pro lenses, you include the 8mm fisheye in the lineup? Its the sort of lens that many would like to use but can't justify the cost of ownership.

Yes the fisheye will certainly be in the line up, and some of the other mid-range lenses, like the 50-200, 50mm macro, etc. I expect.

The service is not yet running, but I can reveal that we do already have a paying customer, someone we know and trust, who is currently renting 300 f/2.8 :) as a special deal.

The other lenses and items are still to be supplied to us; but we're expecting delivery in days now rather than weeks.

Ian

Xpres
28th October 2009, 07:48 PM
I used to use some really bad cheapo T2 mount 300 amd 500mm telephotos :D - and then bolt on cheapo 2x tele converters!

Those were the days!

Ian


And still are!!! :D:D

DerekW
29th October 2009, 12:44 PM
Please could you make the heavy duty battery pack for the FL50 part of the available inventory.

RE shipment - yesterday I sent my sick camera to Oly Southend by DHL and it cost 59 to get the max insurance cover of 500 so I am exposed by quite a lot of money if the camera did not make it (DHL tell me that it has been delivered) - if the courier costs of the hire are to cover the insurance costs then just the transportation will be costing more than some of the hire fees.

Custom boxes for each item may well be the best option even though it will significantly add to the set up costs. Perhaps using custom fit Peli cases so as to ensure a safe ride for the kit with combination locks and the recipient informed of the combination number by email.

A rebate (not 100%) on subsequently buying new equipment would make the process very attractive

Also it might be worth doing a deal with Parcel2GO or some similar company that works with the major shipping companies to get a good shipping price.

Ian
29th October 2009, 01:02 PM
Please could you make the heavy duty battery pack for the FL50 part of the available inventory.

RE shipment - yesterday I sent my sick camera to Oly Southend by DHL and it cost 59 to get the max insurance cover of 500 so I am exposed by quite a lot of money if the camera did not make it (DHL tell me that it has been delivered) - if the courier costs of the hire are to cover the insurance costs then just the transportation will be costing more than some of the hire fees.

Custom boxes for each item may well be the best option even though it will significantly add to the set up costs. Perhaps using custom fit Peli cases so as to ensure a safe ride for the kit with combination locks and the recipient informed of the combination number by email.

A rebate (not 100%) on subsequently buying new equipment would make the process very attractive

Also it might be worth doing a deal with Parcel2GO or some similar company that works with the major shipping companies to get a good shipping price.

Derek, you have been fleeced by DHL, I fear. Our local courier can ship items to anywhere in the mainland UK for 20 + VAT next day, including insurance.

In fact they can do it cheaper if we go via their weight tariff.

Our own insurer will probably include shipping cover, so we can reduce the shipping cost (if you use our courier), though the return cost is higher than the sending cost.

Ian

PS Yes I'm intending to have the full pro flash items available :)

DerekW
29th October 2009, 01:45 PM
"fleeced" - Yes I suspected that but I wanted to get the E3 and lens back to Oly to get sorted out.

Shaw
29th October 2009, 01:59 PM
Please could you make the heavy duty battery pack for the FL50 part of the available inventory.

RE shipment - yesterday I sent my sick camera to Oly Southend by DHL and it cost 59 to get the max insurance cover of 500 so I am exposed by quite a lot of money if the camera did not make it (DHL tell me that it has been delivered) - if the courier costs of the hire are to cover the insurance costs then just the transportation will be costing more than some of the hire fees.

Custom boxes for each item may well be the best option even though it will significantly add to the set up costs. Perhaps using custom fit Peli cases so as to ensure a safe ride for the kit with combination locks and the recipient informed of the combination number by email.

A rebate (not 100%) on subsequently buying new equipment would make the process very attractive

Also it might be worth doing a deal with Parcel2GO or some similar company that works with the major shipping companies to get a good shipping price.

My E-3 was returned last month to correct a fault and Olympus recommended Royal Mail (there were no strikes on at the time). It cost 11.10 including insurance for 1100.00 which I considered to be very reasonable.

Stewart

mlc
31st October 2009, 11:57 PM
Ian,

There I was feeling guilty for being able to use such a lens and not sure if I could tell anyone!

I'd like to think I've put it to good use - went down to Windsor Great Park last week, and was lucky enough to catch a bit of action.

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/medium/Round_2.jpg (http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/18938)

Mark