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f2uk
6th September 2009, 07:00 PM
Hello from the Fylde Coast!

I have been using my E500 for a while now and came across this site via a link on fourthirds-user.com. Trying to decide which upgrade to go for, E30 or switch to another brand.
Based on what I have read here, and a few other places, I think I will be sticking to Olympus .... not ready for an E3 yet so the E30 it will be.
Currently I have an E500 with the two kit lenses (17.5-45, 40-150). I added the 70-300 when I got roped into taking pictures for the local rugby club ... I was doing it anyway as my partners son plays for them so in a way it gave me the justification for buying the lens!
Anyway, I am starting to use my kit more and more and with the help of this forum my skills will only get better.

jonesy
6th September 2009, 07:11 PM
Welcome to the forum.

Its a great place to come for advice and guidance, with some very knowledgable members.

EH1
6th September 2009, 08:02 PM
Welcome F2uk, I hope you enjoy yourself here! Is F2uk anything to do with the F2 magazine?

f2uk
7th September 2009, 06:52 AM
Welcome F2uk, I hope you enjoy yourself here! Is F2uk anything to do with the F2 magazine?

I didn't even know that magazine existed. My username is based on the fact I used to own a special edition Hyundai Coupe, the F2, and I live in the UK.

Ian
7th September 2009, 07:45 AM
Welcome to the site! Have you considered the E-620? Olympus camera technology has moved on a huge amount since the E-500 :)

Ian

f2uk
7th September 2009, 08:31 AM
Welcome to the site! Have you considered the E-620? Olympus camera technology has moved on a huge amount since the E-500 :)

Ian

I have considered the 620, but from what I remember there were a few features of the E30 that I liked more. Faster shutter speed, flash sync and the fact it takes the same batteries as the 500, which means I can run both side by side.

I get the impression, from reading reviews, that the 620 is a step up but still a supposed "entry" level DSLR where the E30 is a step between the 'entry' and 'pro' levels.

I 'played' with a friends D200 Nikon, he was having issues controling the camera settings in order to get the images he wanted. 5 minutes and about a dozen shots and I had the basics sorted. I liked the fact of being able to control so much and the high shutter speed (same as E30) allowed fast moving images in relatively dark condistions. I may be wrong but it made me think I am capable of taking a little more control over my images than an 'entry' level camera will allow.

Ian
7th September 2009, 09:03 AM
I have considered the 620, but from what I remember there were a few features of the E30 that I liked more. Faster shutter speed, flash sync and the fact it takes the same batteries as the 500, which means I can run both side by side.

I get the impression, from reading reviews, that the 620 is a step up but still a supposed "entry" level DSLR where the E30 is a step between the 'entry' and 'pro' levels.

I 'played' with a friends D200 Nikon, he was having issues controling the camera settings in order to get the images he wanted. 5 minutes and about a dozen shots and I had the basics sorted. I liked the fact of being able to control so much and the high shutter speed (same as E30) allowed fast moving images in relatively dark condistions. I may be wrong but it made me think I am capable of taking a little more control over my images than an 'entry' level camera will allow.

That's fine - it looks like you have thought things out and the E-30 is the most appropriate model :)

It looks like the nearest Nikon model that is current would be a D300, but that is about 400 more than an E-30 (body only). It's a very fine camera, but it does lack an articulating screen, in-body IS and the digital level (though the latter is half available (roll, not pitch) in the newly announced D300s. But that's even more expensive. And then there is the topic of lenses... :)

Ian

f2uk
7th September 2009, 09:28 AM
Thought things out! ..... I did so much reading I had a headache for days! :D

Trying to decide between stiching with Olympus and switching to Nikon was not easy, lots of people recommending the switch, very few suggesting to stay.
When you look at the facts and figures there is not a massive amount in it, what is comes down to more than anything is high ISO performance. Which only really comes into play in low light conditions or for fast moving subjects. A lower ISO and higher shutter speed will conteract the fast movement and in-body IS and a longer exposure would make up for low light.

I can't fault the Zuiko lenses, even if they are a but limited at the cheaper end. The ones I have cover a good enough range for me at the moment, perhaps the addition of 14-54 f2.8 would be nice but not essential. Will have to see what deals are about heading in towards christmas!

Ian
7th September 2009, 10:04 AM
I did a side by side comparison of the E-30 and a D300 in low light conditions and the D300 did slightly out-resolve the E-30, but the difference would be hard to see in normal use. There is a sharper drop off in noise quality above ISO 1600 with the E-30 than the D300, but not much difference until you exceed ISO 1600.

The E-30 is last year's technology, and Olympus has already shown a stop's worth of improvement at the high ISO end with the Pen E-P1 which has the same sensor as the E-30, but a next-generation TruePic image processing engine.

I do expect most lenses, even the affordable ones, to be sharper across the frame, and exhibit less vignetting in the corners, than many Nikon ones. Nikon's AF system is very sophisticated, but the E-30 one is actually not bad and has the lens focus calibration system for really demanding users.

The E-30's live view system and live view AF are unreservedly better than the D300's. It's also easier to use the E-30 for critical focus using live view.

I don't know if Art Filters are a plus factor for you - a surprising number of people that try them find that they find them useful, so that could be an E-30 plus.

The D300 is a weather sealed, alloy shell, body - to E-3 standards. The E-30 is not, although the battery door is from the E-3 and mid and top-pro Digial Zuiko lenses have a lens mount weather seal (and are themselves internally sealed) so even without internal seals with the E-30 you do get some protection.

The D300 has a larger and higher resolution screen, but as previously mentioned it is actually harder to use for live view critical focus, and it's not articulated. The E-30 screen is certainly not bad and it is bigger and easier to see than your E-500's screen.

You get a slightly faster shooting rate with the D300 (6.5fps vs. 5fps) and this can be boosted by investing in the battery grip.

Overall, pound for pound I think the E-30 gives the D300 a good run for its money. But in the end only you can decide which system is for your. Nikon is a safe bet, but I have a long list of those who have switched from Olympus to Nikon and then switched back. In all honesty there are those who have switched and not come back, and there are some that have switched from Nikon and been happy with Olympus :) There is no certain decision - it's a personal one.

Good luck which ever way you choose to go!

Ian

EH1
7th September 2009, 12:37 PM
There are some great deals to be had on an E-30 at the moment! :D

Barrie Norman
7th September 2009, 03:21 PM
Apart from not being waterproof the E30 out shines the E3 because as Ian pointed out technology had moved on since the E3, I recently bought mine from Jessops check out their deals with the 14-42 lens it was cheaper than Warehouse Express body only even if like me you don't want the lens, just keep it as a spare or sell it on flebay.

f2uk
7th September 2009, 03:33 PM
I noticed that one .... I also noticed the E30 with the 14-54 MkII lens at just over 1k .... very tempted! *yes

EH1
7th September 2009, 03:34 PM
Apart from not being waterproof the E30 out shines the E3 because as Ian pointed out technology had moved on since the E3, I recently bought mine from Jessops check out their deals with the 14-42 lens it was cheaper than Warehouse Express body only even if like me you don't want the lens, just keep it as a spare or sell it on flebay.That`s quite a broad statement to say the e-30 outshines the e-3! & I am sure there are lots of people on here who would disagree!

f2uk
7th September 2009, 03:38 PM
That`s quite a broad statement to say the e-30 outshines the e-3! & I am sure there are lots of people on here who would disagree!

I am sure there are people in both camps. How one camera out does another is purely in the way the photogrpaher uses it. What is irreplaceable for one person maybe of no concequence to another.

If you are a pro I would assume the E3 is your weapon of choice from the Olympus line up, if you are an enthusiastic hobbiest then the E30 may give you the extra confidence you need to hone your skills.

Ian
7th September 2009, 04:03 PM
That`s quite a broad statement to say the e-30 outshines the e-3! & I am sure there are lots of people on here who would disagree!

The plain truth is that the E-30 does have a better imaging pipeline than the E-3. The high ISO, dark area banding problem has been cured. The live view system is also more evolved, and the LCD screen is slightly better. After all, the E-30 is two years on from the E-3.

But the E-3 continues to have some advantages - the superb alloy body with weather sealing, the more flexible push button mode control, large 100% viewfinder, separate cable release socket, etc.

Ian