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Zuiko
4th July 2009, 12:34 AM
Back in good old film days if you bought a quality camera it would probably last you for life, with no real need to upgrade unless you fancied a change. Sure, new features were evolving all the time, like autofocus or more sophisticated metering systems, but the image quality was ultimately decided by the film used and if a better type of film was introduced you just bought that instead of your existing brand without any need to upgrade the camera.

In digital land things are fundamentally different. The sensor plays a huge part in image quality and if a better sensor becomes available the only way to take advantage of it is to buy a new camera. I'm sure most of us have played the multiple upgrade game. My version of this game was to buy an E500, use it for about a year, upgrade to an E510, use that for about a year, the upgrade to an E3. Each of these steps has been worthwhile in terms of improved image quality and, if the new sensor in the E-P1 is anything to go by, the eventual E3 replacement will be another significant step forward.

Of course, it's not just a matter of upgrading the E3, in the meantime there's the issue of buying an E-P1. Ever since my daughter purloined my ageing Canon compact I've missed having a small camera I could just slip in my pocket without the need to carry a cumbersome DSLR everywhere. Surely the E-P1 is the answer. Manna from Heaven! A compact sized camera offering DSLR quality!

Then there is the small matter of lenses, we are never satisfied, are we? O.K., I am satisfied with my 14-54mm, it's a cracking lens. I'm also not unhappy with my 40-150mm and 70-300mm lenses, but once you've borrowed a 50-200mm these never quite seem the same again. And it would be nice to go a bit wider than 14mm so really a 9-18mm needs serious consideration. Then there's the question of a macro lens. True, the 70-300mm does a pretty good job, particularly when fitted with a high quality Nikon close-up lens and I do have a capable manual focus 90mm Elicar 1:1 macro but none of these quite compare to the 50mm f2 so I'd better put one of those on my list.

Hang on, how much is all of this going to cost? The bank manager says “No chance!” (mean b@$#@d) :mad: Better get my priorities right and just wait for the E3 upgrade then.

WHY?

Am I happy with the features on the E3? …. YES!

Am I happy with how it handles? ….. YES!

Am I happy with the image quality? ….. YES!

Would an extra (probable) 2mp make much real difference? ….. NO!

Is it worth an upgrade just on the basis of better high ISO performance alone? …... GUESS THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION!

Let's think about that for a few moments....

Do I need high ISO for much of my work? ….. NO! On the contrary, I use it for very little.

When I do need it, does the E3 disappoint? …. NO! Not really. True, it's not quite as capable in this department as some other cameras but the gap is not nearly so wide as urban myths would have you believe. In fact, compared to film at ISO 1600 or 3200 it's astonishingly good. And the noise does clean up quite nicely in specialist software, it just requires a little more effort.

VERDICT? No need to upgrade, the E3 is a better camera than I am a photographer and it's potential is greater than mine. In fact, maybe the camera should be considering upgrading its user! There must come a point when every photographer has better kit than they really need and the trick is to recognise when you've achieved that position. I'm there right now!

So, thinking about the money I'll save by keeping the E3, how about a nice new lens or three? There's no denying it would be nice to trade my two tele-zooms for a 50-200mm. But that's the best part of a thousand quid! Is the cost in proportion to the likely improvement in my photographs? Er, no!

Better think about a wide angle zoom then. That's sure to improve my photography, or is it? I recently commented in a thread about the E-P1 that I used to find the discipline imposed by using a single prime lens actually improved my photography by forcing me to think about the composition and how I could best use that lens. So adding more focal lengths to my arsenal of optics won't by itself make me a more creative photographer, just a poorer and more heavily laden one! It would do me more good, I'm sure, to concentrate on making the most of what I already have.

That leaves the macro lens, or does it? Is the lack of this lens preventing me from taking more macro shots? …. NO!

Is a lack of motivation preventing me from taking more macro shots with the kit I already have? ….. YES! :o

The answer to that seems pretty straightforward, doesn't it?

AH HA! Having “saved” all that money maybe I can now justify an E-P1? After all, I do need a new compact. No, I don't need a compact (I don't need anything) but by virtue of having a camera with me more often this is the purchase most likely to get me more pictures. There's just one little problem, the price! :eek: O.K, this will probably fall quite sharply once the product has been available for a few months but it's still going to be a lot of money that my bank manager (remember him?) says I can't afford. :rolleyes: Particularly since I earlier called him a b@**@*d! :p

Is there a cheaper alternative? ….. MAYBE.

I'm currently considering a Panasonic LX3 which may be an acceptable compromise. It won't have the image quality of the E-P1 but it is even smaller and lighter and therefore even more likely to be with me when that unexpected great picture presents itself. AND CHEAPER! Particularly second hand on ebay. :D

There's no denying that spending lots of money on new cameras or lenses is very satisfying and enjoyable, providing you have that money to spend. Eventually though, unless your name is Abramovich, you have to concede that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. *yes

dabchick
4th July 2009, 07:29 AM
I think at some stage you have to come to the point where you recognise you have enough and concentrate on the picture taking process and not the gear. I've just been through a bit of an upgrade cycle and apart from not being able to afford or justify any more expense, I've decided to try and make the most of what I have for the foreseeable future. There are plenty of E-500 etc owners out there still taking great pictures and I take my inspiration from seeing what people can produce from the most "antiquated" gear you can imagine. Despite just purchasing an E-30 I still feel more inclined to use my E-1 at times. Newer gear is nice to read about and drool over at times but ultimately its not going to make me a better photographer and quite often distracts me from actually taking pictures. Doesn't stop me lusting after an UWA lens though ;).

dbutch
4th July 2009, 07:34 AM
Pretty fair sum up

One thing to note though! in film days I thought I'd done well to shoot a 1000pics in a year, my 4 week old E-30 has already done 3500 'eek'
So maybe it is just as well you replace to improve as they are more likely to wear out:)

By the way I'm loving the E-30

Dave

snaarman
4th July 2009, 07:50 AM
Oh yes. I recognise this. That new lens, that new body - I wonder if it will let me get that extra picture, will it make me a Better Photographer???

I have heard this before :-) That new Ibanez guitar, if I buy that - will I be able to play like Joe Satriani? Oooh, look at those new paint brushes - if I buy them will I paint like Van Goch?

We are all guilty too. I have usually successfully talked myself out of most of my expensive plans, but then suddenly I bought a second hand 11-22, a 50mm macro and an E510 off this forum almost on a whim (and have not regretted it at all).

As to the EP-1. For a moment I thought it would be the silent Leica style digital camera I was seeking for those indoor event pictures, but: 1 - I really can't live without the viewfinder*. Sorry Olympus. 2 - How many pictures do I actually take each year in circumstances where quieter would be better? Surely not enough to justify a whole new camera..

No. Just say no, Pete

*EP-1 viewfinder. Doesn't it have a HDMI video output? Could they not make a mini EVF for the hot shoe with a litte cable that plugs in the side of the camera??

theMusicMan
4th July 2009, 08:02 AM
Superb, thought provoking post there John.

I have managed quite a spell without having a new lens purchased, but I have to admit... the 9-18mm and the awesome 7-14mm would fit beautifully in my camera bag. I have tried both, and it's not that they would make me a better photographer per s as I have a long way to go yet, but it's that I am often able to recognise that I really could get better shots with these lenses.

For example; I love the 11-22mm, and at the moment it's the lens that is almost glued to my E-3 (barring Skomer trips of course :) ), but when I am out and about looking for shots, and as I continue learn about how to shoot landscapes and tone mapping, I often find myself wishing I had the 9-18mm or 7-14mm - for what they could give me over the 11-22mm. The 11-22mm has yielded some ok shots for me, but having had the pleasure of using both the 9-18mm and 7-14mm recently - I do yearn for one of them.

Having said that... finances dictate my present position and I don't think I shall be purchasing anything new soon - and... I still have so much to learn about landscapes such that I haven't exceeded anywhere near what the 11-22mm will provide.

Zuiko
4th July 2009, 11:03 AM
Superb, thought provoking post there John.

I have managed quite a spell without having a new lens purchased, but I have to admit... the 9-18mm and the awesome 7-14mm would fit beautifully in my camera bag. I have tried both, and it's not that they would make me a better photographer per s as I have a long way to go yet, but it's that I am often able to recognise that I really could get better shots with these lenses.

For example; I love the 11-22mm, and at the moment it's the lens that is almost glued to my E-3 (barring Skomer trips of course :) ), but when I am out and about looking for shots, and as I continue learn about how to shoot landscapes and tone mapping, I often find myself wishing I had the 9-18mm or 7-14mm - for what they could give me over the 11-22mm. The 11-22mm has yielded some ok shots for me, but having had the pleasure of using both the 9-18mm and 7-14mm recently - I do yearn for one of them.

Having said that... finances dictate my present position and I don't think I shall be purchasing anything new soon - and... I still have so much to learn about landscapes such that I haven't exceeded anywhere near what the 11-22mm will provide.

I recognise exactly where you're comming from, John. It's not that we need more lenses to become more creative but often a new addition to the kit bag will motivate and inspire us to take more photographs. At least for a while, until the novelty wears off. Then we start drooling over "the next big purchase," convinced that this time it really will raise our photography onto a new plateaux.

It seldom does, of course, at least in my case. The only time it has really worked for me was when I traded in my complete and extensive Olympus OM kit for a Bronica medium format system. It wasn't so much the new camera that improved my results, but rather the new discipline and slower, more methodical way of working that the larger format imposed, forcing me to think more about my compositions and lighting.

Back to the present, our yearnings for more glass is all relative. You have an 11-22 but yearn for a 7-14mm or 9-18mm; I have a 14-54mm as my widest lens and to me the 11-22mm is an object of desire! After all, if I had one of those I'd take pictures like Steve Roughly, wouldn't I? Dream on!

There's nothing wrong with constantly buying new equipment, if it gives us pleasure and we can afford it. The problems come if we convince ourselves we are unable to grow any further as a photographer because we can't afford that "essential" piece of new kit - or we overspend to the point where we cannot afford to go anywhere to take photographs!

crimbo
4th July 2009, 11:55 AM
...if it gives us pleasure and we can afford it. The problems come if we convince ourselves we are unable to grow any further as a photographer because we can't afford that "essential" piece of new kit -
whole heartedly agree with all you have said...my pleasure is in playing with legacy lenses - it ups the fun but my piccies will not improve...
But I am running an E400 with insulation tape holding the card door on so would I get 'better' piccies with an E620...would that IS really help...or have I been bitten by the consumer 'must have the latest' bug?

Zuiko
4th July 2009, 12:00 PM
whole heartedly agree with all you have said...my pleasure is in playing with legacy lenses - it ups the fun but my piccies will not improve...
But I am running an E400 with insulation tape holding the card door on so would I get 'better' piccies with an E620...would that IS really help...or have I been bitten by the consumer 'must have the latest' bug?

Ah! That's something that only you can decide. My message is simply that whitst it is nice to have the latest gear it's not essential, and not being able to afford it in these financially difficult times shouldn't be a barrier to good and enjoyable photography. :)

crimbo
4th July 2009, 12:16 PM
I know...decisions decisions... but like many I will probably be more frivolous as I have more 'free' money -whenever that happens next

but you are right most of us to not have a real need to upgrade but for some post the consumer I can have it when I want it society, they may feel emotionally challenged that they cannot get the 'latest'
Those of us who have been through this before will make do and mend..and we will enjoy what we have rather than aspiring to something else to make our happiness

so do I need an EP-1? No!. Do I lust after having an EP-1? Yes!
Will I get an EP-1? Not unless I get several hundred quid without trying... I can use it to video the flying pigs...

Zuiko
4th July 2009, 12:26 PM
so do I need an EP-1? No!. Do I lust after having an EP-1? Yes!
Will I get an EP-1? Not unless I get several hundred quid without trying... I can use it to video the flying pigs...

My position exactly! :)

DTD
4th July 2009, 01:39 PM
Generally I prefer shoes to cameras. I have more shoes than I need.
I still have some film cameras that don't earn their keep.

dabchick
4th July 2009, 09:45 PM
Generally I prefer shoes to cameras. I have more shoes than I need.
I still have some film cameras that don't earn their keep.

I find the dynamic range and high ISO performance of shoes sadly lacking for my needs.

rich s
4th July 2009, 11:48 PM
I'm currently considering a Panasonic LX3 which may be an acceptable compromise. It won't have the image quality of the E-P1 but it is even smaller and lighter and therefore even more likely to be with me when that unexpected great picture presents itself. AND CHEAPER! Particularly second hand on ebay. :D



I took my Leica D-Lux 4 to a small local concert in Brittany the other evening - venue was an old Chapel, with a highly talented Classical guitarist doing his stuff on various instruments - including harp, timpany, and 12 string guitar. I first thought of taking the E30 with 50-200, but soon abandoned that (I was with friends) and took just the Leica.

The right decision, as any shutter going off would have been so wrong in that atmosphere ..... So I turned off the Leica shutter sound, used ISO 400 with f2, and managed around 1/60th, which was fine. No need for a longer zoom either, as I steadily moved round the rear of the chapel before moving forward to a position no more than 15ft from the musician.

So small, pocketable, discreet and totally silent won the day. The little Leica is with me whenever I want it, and I have some nice pics to show for it. I have a G1 as well, and even that is too noisy ... nor does it have that super fast f2 Leica lens. And IQ is really excellent!

For discreet event shoots, that it one reason I am still very cautious about the usefulness of the EP-1 ... slow lenses, & not pocketable. At a bigger concert where shutter sound is immaterial, I take the E30 and blast away with a fast lens ...

Zuiko
5th July 2009, 12:09 AM
I took my Leica D-Lux 4 to a small local concert in Brittany the other evening - venue was an old Chapel, with a highly talented Classical guitarist doing his stuff on various instruments - including harp, timpany, and 12 string guitar. I first thought of taking the E30 with 50-200, but soon abandoned that (I was with friends) and took just the Leica.

The right decision, as any shutter going off would have been so wrong in that atmosphere ..... So I turned off the Leica shutter sound, used ISO 400 with f2, and managed around 1/60th, which was fine. No need for a longer zoom either, as I steadily moved round the rear of the chapel before moving forward to a position no more than 15ft from the musician.

So small, pocketable, discreet and totally silent won the day. The little Leica is with me whenever I want it, and I have some nice pics to show for it. I have a G1 as well, and even that is too noisy ... nor does it have that super fast f2 Leica lens. And IQ is really excellent!

For discreet event shoots, that it one reason I am still very cautious about the usefulness of the EP-1 ... slow lenses, & not pocketable. At a bigger concert where shutter sound is immaterial, I take the E30 and blast away with a fast lens ...

Thanks for this, Rich, it's edged me closer to the LX3. Anyone else have experience of this or the Leica version? :)

rich s
5th July 2009, 12:22 AM
Thanks for this, Rich, it's edged me closer to the LX3. Anyone else have experience of this or the Leica version? :)

By the way, a number of factors moved me to the Leica rather than the LX3.
One was the 3 yr warranty by Leica Another was the undoubted higher resale value if & when I might want to sell, and third was support in Capture One 4.

I already use CO4 with RAWs from my Oly bodies, so to have the Leica operating within the same processor was a real bonus.

Finally, I liked the idea of a detachable grip - OK its extra, but beautifully made, and gives the camera that little bit of extra bulk and mass .... I found a s/h wrist strap, and generally support the camera with a couple of fingers when in use.

Its sometimes said that the Leica has different in camera processing software to the LX3. Never proven, but the colour OOC is very natural. There have been a few colour issues with the LX3 I understand, but I'm sure with PP those are solveable.

rich s
5th July 2009, 05:24 PM
Thanks for this, Rich, it's edged me closer to the LX3. Anyone else have experience of this or the Leica version? :)

A useful thread here on the merits of the LX3 / D-Lux 4 as a second camera:
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8564

mike_j
5th July 2009, 05:54 PM
To some extent I have been downgrading and simplifying this year. Most of my legacy lenses and five cameras have gone, or are going. I'll miss many of them but I'm trying to concentrate on photographs, not photographic hardware. The fact that the G1 lets me use my Leica M lenses has also changed my perspective.

I'm now considering whether to sell my 12-60mm. It's a wonderful lens but with a Panasonic G1 it is very oversized and only works on manual focus.

All the other 4/3 lenses have gone already except the 50-200.

After a weekend with the grandchildren I am tempted to buy a GH1 in place of the G1 just for the video function.

I don't suppose that you ever buy the ultimate camera or are totally happy with the equipment lineup. It's all part of the game.

rich s
6th July 2009, 04:27 AM
To some extent I have been downgrading and simplifying this year. Most of my legacy lenses and five cameras have gone, or are going. I'll miss many of them but I'm trying to concentrate on photographs, not photographic hardware. The fact that the G1 lets me use my Leica M lenses has also changed my perspective.

I'm now considering whether to sell my 12-60mm. It's a wonderful lens but with a Panasonic G1 it is very oversized and only works on manual focus.

I don't suppose that you ever buy the ultimate camera or are totally happy with the equipment lineup. It's all part of the game.


I'm sure that limiting the amount of equipment at your disposal at any one time can only lead to more productive thinking in pure photography terms!

Since getting the 14-54II as part of an E30 kit back at Focus this year, I have had little use out of my 12-60 either. Since I like to have both the G1 & E30 able to use the same set of lenses at any one time, it is the more compact 14-54II that goes with the G1, as well as the 9-18 & the Panny 45-200. I even enjoy the E30 more with the lighter 14-54II.

But like you, I have a range of Leica lenses (R type) that perform superbly with the G1 (latest is a mint 35mm Cron f2) and give me a completely different mind set when out and about. One lens on one very capable small body and its a great combination!

stryker
6th July 2009, 05:39 PM
A very interesting thread. My daughter got married recently and I would have loved to have done the photographs but unfortunately I had to be in front of the lens instead of behind it, well on some of them anyway. We contacted several local photographers and eventually we found a guy whose work we liked and would give us all the pictures on a dvd, copyright free.
Well he did a superb job, can't fault him at all. He used a Nikon D700 and several lenses. I obviously took loads of pictures myself when I wasn't required to be on them with my E510 and the lovely little 14-42mm. Obviously I took similar pictures to the photographer and unless you look at them at maximum resolution and nit pick, there is not a lot of difference in the pictures, his are very slightly sharper but then again the D700 has a full frame sensor.
I am perfectly happy at last. I have all the lenses I need, 14-42, the old 40-150, 70-300, 35mm macro and the lovely 11-22 and after a just over 12 months with the E510 I am finally getting really good results from the camera.
I will probably be purchasing a LX3 sometime this year as a second camera as my Wife will not let me have the E410 back!

Steve Lane
7th July 2009, 01:56 PM
This is a very interesting thread. When I shot exclusively with film, I aquired more lenses than I ever needed, convincing myself that I really needed the next best thing. I still have most of them and use film regularly. However, I only use two out of the ten or so lenses I have (35mm & 135mm). I find I can do most of what I need using them, so the rest languish in storage, nothing more than 'surplus fat'.

When I decided to purchased some digital gear, I did not wish to repeat past mistakes. I looked very carefully at the focal lengths I regularly shoot at and concluded that the 11-22 and 50mm Digital Zuiko's would be sufficient. That was a few years ago, and to this day they are the only two lenses I own for my digital system (E-1). I have little desire for new lenses anymore, preferring to spend any cash I may have once squandered on kit, on trips away where I can use what I have.

However, the new E-P1 may have put the cat amongst the pigeons; I have been thinking about getting a quality point and shoot (DLUX 4) for use when I find the DSLR too cumbersome. The E-P1 and it's tiny 17mm F2.8 lens may be all I need, and be almost small enough to cram in a pocket.

I have found that as I have grown older, I get more pleasure out of using what I have rather that lusting after the next new shiny. New purchases are carefully considered and justified - unlike ten years ago when my kicks came from the next new bit of gear I intended purchasing.

Cheers, Steve.

michaelavis
8th July 2009, 11:11 AM
Very interesting thread and somewhat of a relief to get so many insights from fellow sufferers of the kit syndrome.

Im sure that for most people newer/better/more kit doesn't increase the chances of getting better images, if all other things are equal, at anything like the rate that gaining experience and deploying better techniques will, especially when the kit you have is already very good by mere mortal's standards.

For me, economic necessity has brought discipline, but it's also brought more satisfaction through extracting more of the huge untapped potential of my existing gear rather than buying more gear. That would be my words of wisdom to anybody.

I wanted all-weather gear for outdoor/sports, the E-3/SWD combo is fantastic and in my view Oly beats anybody else for price/size/performance for that kind of use. Of course there's a price to pay compared to the rest of Oly's range, not just the ticket price, but the weight and size of that gear. My dream is the E620 form factor with E3 characteristics (including weatherproof) and smaller/lighter lenses with SWD characteristics (including weather proof). Maybe micro fourthirds will deliver more of that in the next couple of years, if it does, I'll by more gear, but only if I sell what I've got.

I just bought a lovely Tamron SP 90 to help me explore the world of nature close-up but don't really know if I'll take to it until I try. Being manual its going to help me understand more about focus/exposure/dof control too. It cost me less than 100 including 4/3 adapter, end cap and UV filter. A year or two ago I would have jumped in bought a current model macro lens at 4x this investment without thinking it through. I like the change and will probably take better shots through taking more care.

People have mentioned the E-P1 and other compacts for the 2nd camera/carry everywhere solution that we all need (or is that want). I ended up with a Leica D-Lux 4 a few months ago and despite what I thought I'd do, the E-P1 didn't get close to unseating it. The Leica is a beautiful thing, takes lovely pictures and is a pleasure to use. Have I used it for the the past 3 weeks? No. Will I invest the time to really understand it and get the most out of it? No. Will I get a picture I will treasure because I had a camera with me rather than not? Not yet.

crimbo
13th July 2009, 07:24 PM
I have an addictive personality (sounds like a good excuse!)
Anyway i had to say enough was enough when I found myself about to bid on a Ricoh 45mm pancake...
I already have the ZD25 as well as an Industar50-2 and a Konica 40mm on their way as well as the OM 50mm, OM 55 f1.2, Super Tak 50mmf1.4, Nikkor 50mm, Jupiter 58mm... and I needed another lens!!
Enough is enough... I am going to have fun using them ...

unless of course you think there is a lens I should get...

knikki
14th July 2009, 02:16 PM
As others have said and intresting thread :D

I have an E-3 & 12-60 + 50-200 and a 50mm macro (bought 2nd hand before price rises) and it covers everything I want from a digital camera.

Do I want a wider lens? hmm! no as the 12-60 does what I want, well actually I would like the 8mm Fisheye.

I would like the 150mm f2 because I like primes, but it would not improve anything massively that I can't do with the 50-200.

As for the new smaller machines EP-1 & the GH series, yes they are appealing, but again I do not think they would "improve" my photography significantly to warrent the investment. :)

As for gear, I do hunt Ebay and 2nd hand shops looking for older film gear (which I currently use alot) and currently looking at fast Nikon primes as I am getting through a fair bit of B&W film, Miniture Speed Graphic and /or some other 5x4 camera system :D

blu-by-u
24th July 2009, 02:49 AM
Interesting to read the views of so many senior and more advance users. It really help me decide that ENOUGH is ENOUGH. For my path along this long road of I WANT..It seems like it's pretty long in just 3 years when I bought into the dSLR family.

The WANT of a "better", Longer and Wider lens was the first step down this long long road of WANTS. Within the first few months the 11-22 and that FL-50 was added into my bag. It was shortly followed by that 35mm, all thanks to some shooter displaying some fantastic macro shots.

Within 8 months from the point of buying that first camera, I have already "upgraded" to a 14-54 mk1. Shortly after that, the Sigma 18-50/2.8 replaced that 14-54 as I started exploring into the world of filters. Since that 11-22 and that 18-50 share the same filter size and it would be cheaper to get 1 set of similar thread then 2 sets or carry reduction rings. In that period, I also got that 135-400 for that long end.

By the time year 2 ended, I have acquired that 7-14, 50mm, sigma 105 and 14-150. I have too many lenses but that urge to buy more was still strong. I swap my FL50 for a FL50R and got a FL36R..bear in mind that I am still using a E-330 which do not support the R. and before the year ended, I got that 14-50 as well.

Then year 3 started, I was offered that 50-200 I could not resist that. Then some nice shooter started posting nice stunning macros shot with that Sigma 150!!! I want that lens!! The E-30 was also launched, follow closely by that E-620 and now that E-P1!!! The non IS camera body with that 135-400 is not really working..I cannot steady my self enough to use that lens. limitations!!. Telling myself I am long overdue for a new camera body, I bought that E-620!! :o

I now have more lenses that I ever need..and still that buy buy bug (or virus) don't seem to want to leave :( HELP..HELP me to learn that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.. I am being drawn into that 35-100 and 14-35 f2 lenses!!!!

snaarman
24th July 2009, 07:16 AM
Ah. We all would like to have that other lens, wouldn't we! I have bought many a lens that turned out to be OK, but not as great as I was expecting. Round here unused lenses get sold.

Also, here in the UK camera gear is expensive in my opinion. Thus an E3 and a small handful of those pro or very pro lenses** suddenly looks like thousands of pounds. :eek: Do I want to leave thousands of pounds in the back of the car when we go for a meal??

So, I admit I now have 8 lenses: 2 kit lenses, 2 semi pro and the remaining 4 are just cheap legacy lenses to play with. Even this pile seems too much sometimes.

My solution - Buy a tiny camera bag. It takes a body plus 2 lenses. That's all. So yesterday was an 11-22 and a 50mm day. No other choices to cloud the issue. It reduces the temptation to buy another lens. Where would I put it? :)

Pete
** This is the reason I left another more transatlantic E-forum to concentrate on this one. Over there they seem to get paid more and the gear is a lot cheaper. Thus everyone seemed to be using Olympus top grade gear taking fabulous shots in the Grand Canyon.

HughofBardfield
24th July 2009, 02:13 PM
My solution - Buy a tiny camera bag. It takes a body plus 2 lenses. That's all. So yesterday was an 11-22 and a 50mm day. No other choices to cloud the issue. It reduces the temptation to buy another lens. Where would I put it? :)

Pete


Much of the time, that's my solution as well.

I also think at the longer end of the lens range, the legacy option is very attractive - if you can master manual focussing. I'm currently experiementing with a Dandelion OM-4/3rds adaptor recommended by John Foster for my 85, 300 and 500mm legacy lenses, for example. However, even these lenses are Not Cheap. I wish I hadn't got rid of my OM 200 and 135...

Unfortunately, at the wide end, even vaguely affordable options are more limited thanks to that 2x crop. Maybe I'll stumble across an OM 8mm at a car boot sale...

I also can speak from experience that more lenses doesn't necessarily equal happiness. I wouldn't be without the 7-14 because when I want it, I really, really want it, but it only gets put in that small camera bag occasionally because it's such a brick to haul around.

There are reasons I would like to upgrade my E510 to an E30 (notably the swing out LCD and better VF), but I'm perfectly happy with the images from the E510, and it already has almost all the other features I actually need. I certainly don't need Art Filters...*moon My experience with the E1 demonstrates that even twice as many MP doesn't equal twice the image quality.

I will therefore only upgrade if and when I get a windfall *laugh MAO!

I think what this thread has identified is the problem that manufacturers are currently wrestling with. IE, the existing "enthusiast" market is almost saturated (especially in the present economic climate), and they have to find ways of widening the marketplace - hence the E-P1.

Graham_of_Rainham
24th July 2009, 02:31 PM
<snip>My solution - Buy a tiny camera bag. It takes a body plus 2 lenses. That's all.

This is excellent advice. I too have a tiny bag that takes just the body and one small lens. I have to admit to having a small E-System bag that takes the body and three lenses, but I try hard to limit it to two as 95% of my pictures are taken between 7mm to 54mm.

Everything else is mostly used at home for experimental stuff.:eek:

Zuiko
24th July 2009, 08:28 PM
This is excellent advice. I too have a tiny bag that takes just the body and one small lens. I have to admit to having a small E-System bag that takes the body and three lenses, but I try hard to limit it to two as 95% of my pictures are taken between 7mm to 54mm.

Everything else is mostly used at home for experimental stuff.:eek:

But Graham, you know you'd like a 90-250mm - I saw how much fun you had with it at Epping...*devil

Makonde
24th July 2009, 10:21 PM
I have a plan....

Once I commited to Oly over the past year, the plan was to get the 12-60 and 50-200 (done) with the EC 14 (on order) and 50mm macro (coming next week) to follow while waiting for the E3 successor. I also have my eye on the 9-18 but only when opportunity arises.

Then the 520 and its two kit lenses get given to a son or daughter and I look for the second generation of the EP-1 (though tempted by the first one!) as backup and walkabout. Plus adapter.

With a squeeze, the 12-60 (on the camera), the 50-200 and one other lens plus the FLR 36 fit into the same camera bag i had for my old OM1 with three lenses and a flash.......

That's it. Makes sense to me...... ask me in a year.....