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Zuiko
21st June 2009, 09:33 PM
Just been looking at image comparison samples between (amongst others) the Pen E-P1, Canon 50D and Nikon D5000. http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/EP1A.HTM

I was surprised, shocked even, to see that with this new sensor/processor combination Olympus appears to have not just gained ground but actually caught up with Canon and Nikon APS-C sensor sized technology.

If this is truely the case why bother waiting months or even years to produce a completely re-designed E3 replacement?

As far as I'm concerned the E3 design is pretty much perfect just as it is and still has enough features to be regarded as state of the art. So why not just continue producing it exactly the same but with the new sensor/processor? In one fell swoop that would wrong foot both Nikon and Canon and cause more than a little mild panic in their R&D departments!

Name for the upgraded camera? How about the E3ns (new sensor)?
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Melaka
22nd June 2009, 07:16 AM
If there's going to be an E3 replacement we need more than just a better sensor. The lack of a manual switch between auto and manual focussing was a backward move compared to the E1.

StephenL
22nd June 2009, 07:42 AM
They could also learn from the Panny G1 and provide a simple switch for auto-bracketing up to 7 steps with one press-and-hold of the shutter button. It's things like this that a photographer needs, not dubious video capture and flashy "filters".

geirsan
22nd June 2009, 09:03 AM
Of course there are limits with the E3. I would like the mode dial back and why not on the left side, where there is space.

But I still think a sensor upgrade would be the way to go. I just spent 1200 on the E3 with equipment, and there is no way I can afford an upgrade the next three to five years. With new cameras coming out all of the time, I won't be able to sell it to finance an upgrade, so for me the only serious way would be a sensor upgrade. That would mean more bucsk to Olympus than what they'll get from me the way it is now.

But there are tecnical issues, aren't there? A new sensor would mean a different way of handling heat for instance, and would the processor work with it? Maybe it's just not possible to do technically without a steep price?

shenstone
22nd June 2009, 07:12 PM
Just been looking at image comparison samples between (amongst others) the Pen E-P1, Canon 50D and Nikon D5000. http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/EP1A.HTM

I was surprised, shocked even, to see that with this new sensor/processor combination Olympus appears to have not just gained ground but actually caught up with Canon and Nikon APS-C sensor sized technology.

If this is truely the case why bother waiting months or even years to produce a completely re-designed E3 replacement?

As far as I'm concerned the E3 design is pretty much perfect just as it is and still has enough features to be regarded as state of the art. So why not just continue producing it exactly the same but with the new sensor/processor? In one fell swoop that would wrong foot both Nikon and Canon and cause more than a little mild panic in their R&D departments!

Name for the upgraded camera? How about the E3ns (new sensor)?
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Fully agreed - this looks like it will stop the High ISO criticism !

I'm looking for the E-30ns as well (the E-3's still a bit of a lump for me) or maybe even an E-5xxns

Regards
Andy

Rebel
23rd October 2009, 02:56 PM
Higher res back screen would be nice, going the dual processor route will help raise frame rates and write speeds.

photo_owl
23rd October 2009, 03:40 PM
They could also learn from the Panny G1 and provide a simple switch for auto-bracketing up to 7 steps with one press-and-hold of the shutter button. It's things like this that a photographer needs, not dubious video capture and flashy "filters".

one press (of a pair of buttons) with one click of a wheel gives you 5x1 on the E3 and E30, and then the same for off again - seems good enough to me.

photo_owl
23rd October 2009, 03:45 PM
having failed misserably to avoid buying an E30 at giveaway prices I think it's now extremely likely that the E3 replacement will be 'very now' (2 weeks) and that it will be better specced and lower priced than anticipated!

I will of course be delighted for everyone that gets one...

Ian
23rd October 2009, 04:04 PM
having failed misserably to avoid buying an E30 at giveaway prices I think it's now extremely likely that the E3 replacement will be 'very now' (2 weeks) and that it will be better specced and lower priced than anticipated!

I will of course be delighted for everyone that gets one...

I'm pretty sure there will be no E-3 replacement announced, let alone shipping, this side of PMA next February.

Ian

talepictures.com
23rd October 2009, 04:37 PM
That's a shame Ian. Agree with the OP that an e-3 update, not successor, should be released asap.

Ian
23rd October 2009, 05:41 PM
That's a shame Ian. Agree with the OP that an e-3 update, not successor, should be released asap.

What do you mean by 'update' - do you mean Olympus should simply replace the sensor, fiirmware, and image processor and produce and retain the same body?

Or do you mean offer the same as a service update for existing E-3 owners?

I don't think either is feasible. The pace of change is too fast. I also think that Olympus would want to make detail changes to the external control positions and maybe add new controls.

Ian

EH1
23rd October 2009, 05:58 PM
A remote sensor on the back would be good! ;)

Zuiko
23rd October 2009, 10:22 PM
What do you mean by 'update' - do you mean Olympus should simply replace the sensor, fiirmware, and image processor and produce and retain the same body?

Or do you mean offer the same as a service update for existing E-3 owners?

I don't think either is feasible. The pace of change is too fast. I also think that Olympus would want to make detail changes to the external control positions and maybe add new controls.

Ian

When I originally started this thread I felt at the time that a "stop gap" update, retaining the same body but replacing the sensor, firmware and processor, would have been appropriate given that a true replacement wasn't expected anytime soon. It seemed sensible to capitalize on an apparently significant improvement in Four Thirds sensor technology to improve the existing flagship model.

However, the months have passed by and it's probably getting to the stage where a full replacement should be on the agenda, at least sometime during 2010. To consider an update now would probably be counter productive in that it would almost certainly delay the eventual replacement, particularly with so much of the company's resources going into the booming micro four thirds market.

I think we'll just have to remain patient. After all the existing E3 isn't a bad camera to "make do" with, is it? :D

talepictures.com
24th October 2009, 08:31 AM
Yes Ian. I'm happy with the e-3 body and layout. Upgrade sensor, processor, fps, lcd, best they can get from current AF unit, add video (don't need new buttons just add a video mode accessed by mode + dial press) and swap xd for sd or second CF.

This would give the time for a real revolutionary successor in 2011 (as upgrade is mainly adding features from other cameras like e-30 and e-p1). It would reassure current users that upgrades are not every 4 years and bring back into competition with other manufacturers so attracting new users (exactly your point about things changing too quickly - it needs to be now or they have to leap frog the competition with the next one in a years time, I doubt they'll manage that). Perhaps a lot depends on what they plan the successor to be. Is it going to be an improved E-3 so doing better than all the upgrades I've suggested plus a lot more like altering the body as you mentioned. Or do they have something completely different in mind? If that something completely different in mind is to compromise some of the performance features of the E-3 because it's so different then an upgraded E-3 should definitely be released asap. Therefore not leaving the users who need really fast performance back in 2007 for 4 more years.

Do you think there is going to be a successor announced in February then? Maybe I was a bit premature to say that would be a shame to you previous comment and maybe I take too much notice of rumours :)

talepictures.com
24th October 2009, 08:53 AM
I think we'll just have to remain patient. After all the existing E3 isn't a bad camera to "make do" with, is it? :D

Obviously not but I'd rather buy an updated E-3 than another E-3 as I will be getting another body once I've cleared out all the equipment I don't need. I would get an E-30 (as that does a number of the desired updates) but the weathersealing is vital.