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Harold Gough
21st March 2019, 12:23 PM
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/106371/car-industry-hits-back-at-keyless-car-theft-security-tests

This is about relay attack car theft.

Harold

TimP
21st March 2019, 01:26 PM
Scumbags will try to attack and steal anything, nothing is safe.

Harold Gough
21st March 2019, 02:27 PM
Scumbags will try to attack and steal anything, nothing is safe.

Earlier this week out nextdoor neighbour had the catalytic converter removed from his car which was parked on the pavement of well-lit major road overnight. They also slashed his water hoses just to be more unpleasant.

Harold

TimP
21st March 2019, 02:54 PM
and who said the scrap metal dealers were so much more trustworthy nowadays since the laws changed. They must still be taking the cats from the scum.

Jax
21st March 2019, 02:55 PM
Earlier this week out nextdoor neighbour had the catalytic converter removed from his car which was parked on the pavement of well-lit major road overnight. They also slashed his water hoses just to be more unpleasant.

Harold

Having had a fully stocked van stolen some years ago, off the driveway overnight, I can imagine just how your neighbour feels. Tim's comment is correct but I can't help feeling the current reliance and popularity of technological smart devices used in vehicle security and now in the home is a very bad move. Any device invented by any company can be outsmarted by an equally clever technologically proficient Toe Rag intent on theft.

The other problem is, until and if this country ceases to listen to the opinions of the Do-Good fraternity and the like, builds several new large prisons and introduces penalties that fit the crimes, things will continue to get worse.

Why on earth would a Toe Rag want a real job when he can steal a car, sell it on or strip it for spares and make several thousand pounds for a few hours work ? Content in the fact if he gets caught it will most likely mean a fine, community service, or at the very worst, a few months in jail.

The teenager who tortured, raped and murdered the poor little girl on Bute has just received a 27 yr min. sentance which means we all now have to pay to keep him well fed, healthy, amused and happy for the next 30 years ! Not my idea of justice in any way whatever. :mad:

Jax

TimP
21st March 2019, 03:01 PM
I know we didn’t have anything like the sort of tech we have now 50 years ago but was the ordinary ‘man in the street’ as liable to be a victim of petty (or not so petty) crime as it would seem some are now?
I’ve always lived in a relatively rural / small town area but it feels like crime was different all those years ago with less crime against the individual and perhaps more against businesses. Or am I completely missing the big picture?

Jax
21st March 2019, 03:08 PM
I know we didn’t have anything like the sort of tech we have now 50 years ago but was the ordinary ‘man in the street’ as liable to be a victim of petty (or not so petty) crime as it would seem some are now?
I’ve always lived in a relatively rural / small town area but it feels like crime was different all those years ago with less crime against the individual and perhaps more against businesses. Or am I completely missing the big picture?

The big picture is, unless government acts and introduces realistic penalties we will find people taking the law into their own hands. I can honestly envisage this country descending into anarchy eventually due to the massive increases in serious crime, although admittedly not in my lifetime.

Jax

TimP
21st March 2019, 04:16 PM
The big picture is, unless government acts and introduces realistic penalties we will find people taking the law into their own hands. I can honestly envisage this country descending into anarchy eventually due to the massive increases in serious crime, although admittedly not in my lifetime.

Jax

I think so much of this starts with very minor crime which is seemingly no longer policed or enforced. You read about how the police won’t bother to turn up for a burglary, shoplifters are only of interest if they steal more than £200 worth and often then their (so called) 1st offence usually results in a caution (so free stuff then!)
Is it any wonder people get away with this and move on to bigger things. Probably beats working, assuming they have the ability to actually get a real job.
Grrrrr!!

Naughty Nigel
22nd March 2019, 10:44 AM
and who said the scrap metal dealers were so much more trustworthy nowadays since the laws changed. They must still be taking the cats from the scum.

I don't think catalytic converters go for scrap though.

A working catalytic converter is needed for an MOT pass. If a vehicle fails an MOT test it means no transport for the driver, an in the case of criminals, no means to commit crime.

However, catalytic converters are very expensive (some cost £1,000 plus) so removal from a roadworthy car is an attractive proposition, but other expensive parts are also at risk such as batteries and even complete engines!

The more popular the car the greater the risk it seems. There were several reported visits from so-called 'Corsa Cannibals' around here shortly before Christmas. They then moved on to neighbouring areas before disappearing somewhere. In every case it was the front of the cars that was stolen including front wings, bonnet, radiator and so forth.

The problem in this case seems to be that uninsured younger drivers want cheap parts to repair their cars after minor front-end collisions. The Corsa problem was first reported in the Luton area where it seems the large number of Corsas in the area bought by Vauxhall employees became a magnet for the thieves. An Asian gang was arrested and found to have an industrial warehouse full of stolen car parts but the problem has spread elsewhere in the country since then.

Edit: Durham Constabulary conducted an exercise sponsored by Aviva Insurance whereby 'illegal' cars on the public highway were seized and either sold to raise revenue or more often crushed. Not only were the roads safer as a result but crime was reportedly reduced because criminals had no means of travelling to commit crimes.

TimP
22nd March 2019, 01:08 PM
I thought the precious metals in each cat were worth the effort (very little risk it would seem)

Naughty Nigel
22nd March 2019, 01:12 PM
I thought the precious metals in each cat were worth the effort (very little risk it would seem)

They are worth far more as working catalytic converters.

Also, quite a few 'yoofs' like to 'de-cat' their cars to improve performance, and have been getting away with this for years. The tougher new MOT tests mean that the catalytic converters now need to be refitted.

TimP
22nd March 2019, 01:12 PM
Edit: Durham Constabulary conducted an exercise sponsored by Aviva Insurance whereby 'illegal' cars on the public highway were seized and either sold to raise revenue or more often crushed. Not only were the roads safer as a result but crime was reportedly reduced because criminals had no means of travelling to commit crimes.

They should do that for every single modified car, every one with illegal (read: obscenely loud) exhaust, with modified suspension, anything that’s non-standard and not notified to their insurance company. It would take so many cars off the road along with the wuckfit obnoxious drivers.

Jax
22nd March 2019, 01:15 PM
I thought the precious metals in each cat were worth the effort (very little risk it would seem)


Following a break in at a local council depot where over 15 cats were ripped off vehicles using angle grinders, it was announced the precious metals were the reason for the thefts.


Jax

TimP
22nd March 2019, 01:15 PM
They are worth far more as working catalytic converters.

Also, quite a few 'yoofs' like to 'de-cat' their cars to improve performance, and have been getting away with this for years. The tougher new MOT tests mean that the catalytic converters now need to be refitted.

See other post! Those unemployed yoofs (innit!) will just pop it back on for the test then remove it once home again. There should be random visits from PCSOs to check and impound if necessary.

Naughty Nigel
22nd March 2019, 02:23 PM
Those unemployed yoofs (innit!) will just pop it back on for the test then remove it once home again.

Not if they have sold the catalytic converter on eBay in the meantime.

MOT's only happen once a year which is well beyond the forward planning ability of your average Chav, innit! :rolleyes:

Harold Gough
22nd March 2019, 02:29 PM
Not if they have sold the catalytic converter on eBay in the meantime.

The police monitor such sales, as the youngster next door found out when he was buying parts to do up cars.

Harold

TimP
23rd March 2019, 09:14 AM
So why be out there plodding the beat when you can sit in a warm office, coffee and donuts at the ready and ‘police’ the net all day. Sure as hell beats dealing face to face with real criminals. I guess the latest police intakes are a bunch of snowflakes too!

Jim Ford
23rd March 2019, 10:56 AM
So why be out there plodding the beat when you can sit in a warm office, coffee and donuts at the ready and ‘police’ the net all day. Sure as hell beats dealing face to face with real criminals.

I 100% agree.

How can the police maintain law and order on our streets, unless they actually have a presence on our streets! :confused:

Jim

Jax
23rd March 2019, 11:00 AM
So why be out there plodding the beat when you can sit in a warm office, coffee and donuts at the ready and ‘police’ the net all day. Sure as hell beats dealing face to face with real criminals. I guess the latest police intakes are a bunch of snowflakes too!

Snowflakes ? Given a large percentage of serious crime these days involves the use of the internet, without these highly trained, skilled, intelligent "Snowflakes" the world would be a much more dangerous place. Sorry but the days of Z Cars are long gone.

Jax

Jax
23rd March 2019, 11:05 AM
I 100% agree.

How can the police maintain law and order on our streets, unless they actually have a presence on our streets! :confused:

Jim

They actually have a very much larger presence than ever before *yes

It's called CCTV !

Jax

Darkroom
23rd March 2019, 12:30 PM
So why be out there plodding the beat when you can sit in a warm office, coffee and donuts at the ready and ‘police’ the net all day. Sure as hell beats dealing face to face with real criminals. I guess the latest police intakes are a bunch of snowflakes too!


Try walking down the main street of any UK town carrying a shotgun. See how long it takes before you're on your belly in the gutter with an assault rifle pointed at your head. Probably nothing to do with Mr Plod patrolling the street but the diligence and skill of the "Snowflake" viewing the CCTV screen.



Darkroom

TimP
23rd March 2019, 04:19 PM
They actually have a very much larger presence than ever before *yes

It's called CCTV !

Jax

I take it you’ve never seen some of the output from typical CCTV then. I defy you or anyone to identify someone from it, let alone be able to actually prosecute someone. Waste of friggin time for the most part. I’m sure there is some useful footage but I reckon it’s a tiny minority of the total.

Get the police out there, get them interacting with the public, picking up local knowledge instead of in some centralised call centre where none of them have any practical experience of the beat they are supposedly looking after.

Appalling state of affairs.

Naughty Nigel
23rd March 2019, 04:59 PM
I take it you’ve never seen some of the output from typical CCTV then. I defy you or anyone to identify someone from it, let alone be able to actually prosecute someone. Waste of friggin time for the most part. I’m sure there is some useful footage but I reckon it’s a tiny minority of the total.

Get the police out there, get them interacting with the public, picking up local knowledge instead of in some centralised call centre where none of them have any practical experience of the beat they are supposedly looking after.

Appalling state of affairs.

Don't they have a few pints in the pub any more to pick up the local gossip? :)

DerekW
23rd March 2019, 07:05 PM
The police may be escorting felons to the local A&E while the felon has his or her jaw or face or broken limbs sorted out.

The neighbour had a bluelight trip in the middle of the night to the local A&E for a health issue and there were 6 police there escorting 3 miscreants between them. Fortunately there were two other police out on the town keeping Pompey peaceful.

Jax
23rd March 2019, 07:24 PM
The police may be escorting felons to the local A&E while the felon has his or her jaw or face or broken limbs sorted out.

The neighbour had a bluelight trip in the middle of the night to the local A&E for a health issue and there were 6 police there escorting 3 miscreants between them. Fortunately there were two other police out on the town keeping Pompey peaceful.

Long before police staffing levels were discussed as they are now, I came across an overturned car at 2am in the middle of nowhere in Derbyshire. The fire brigade arrived within 15 mins but the police and ambulance took 40 mins. I was informed by the police officer there was only one Traffic Car on duty for the whole of Derbyshire and he was it. *yes

So Derek if you had 8 police on duty in one urban area you were not doing too bad :D

Jax

Naughty Nigel
23rd March 2019, 08:48 PM
Long before police staffing levels were discussed as they are now, I came across an overturned car at 2am in the middle of nowhere in Derbyshire. The fire brigade arrived within 15 mins but the police and ambulance took 40 mins. I was informed by the police officer there was only one Traffic Car on duty for the whole of Derbyshire and he was it. *yes

So Derek if you had 8 police on duty in one urban area you were not doing too bad :D

Jax

On Valentine's night about thirty-five years ago I witnessed a soft top MGB hit a ridge of snow in the middle of the A3 near Milford which caused it to roll over twice, landing on its roof over a snow-covered ditch. Mercifully the pretty young girl who was driving was unhurt, but very badly shaken.

She was shivering uncontrollably in the cold night air so I invited her to sit in my car until the police arrived. There were very few mobile phones then but a lorry driver had called the emergency services on his CB radio. The fire brigade arrived first, checked that the girl was not badly hurt, pulled her car out of the ditch and went on their way. Next the ambulance arrived. The ambulance crew checked the girl over and made sure she was OK. She didn't want to go to hospital so they brought her back to my car.

Finally, after about forty minutes the flying squad arrived with blue lights blazing and sirens wailing. They thought I had had the accident so when I went so speak to them I was read the riot act and told to blow into a bag! When they finally shut up for long enough to listen I explained what had happened. They spoke to the girl asking 'are you alright love', said there was nothing they needed to do and went. What a difference! :eek:

So nothing changes really. :)