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Zuiko
8th February 2019, 11:07 AM
Recently we seem to be discussing politics, particularly Brexit, more than photography on this forum and whilst right now it is a fascinating subject I do feel we are in danger of getting things out of balance.

With this in mind, could we please refrain from starting any more political threads and post instead in the bumper thread that we already have http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=47199

Thank you. :)

Harold Gough
8th February 2019, 11:29 AM
Recently we seem to be discussing politics, particularly Brexit, more than photography on this forum and whilst right now it is a fascinating subject I do feel we are in danger of getting things out of balance.

With this in mind, could we please refrain from starting any more political threads and post instead in the bumper thread that we already have http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=47199

Thank you. :)

While you're quite right about too much politics, we still have "take a break from photo and camera talk" at the top of the page.:confused:

Harold

pdk42
8th February 2019, 12:39 PM
Well said John. Totally in agreement!

Naughty Nigel
8th February 2019, 12:45 PM
I'm afraid I have decided to take a break from this forum altogether.

I am more than happy to discuss politics, religion and all the other taboos, but I am so sick and tired of the negativity recently that I would really rather be out of it altogether.

I have tried to lighten the mood and to provide some positivity, but every single post is met with deep negativity, sardonicism and vitriol by individuals who refuse to acknowledge the weaknesses of their own leaders.

I didn't particularly want Brexit, but my biggest fear right now is the bunch of anarchists around here who are not only hell bent on making it a self fulfilling prophesy but are already promising retribution threads.

wornish
8th February 2019, 02:06 PM
I'm afraid I have decided to take a break from this forum altogether.

I am more than happy to discuss politics, religion and all the other taboos, but I am so sick and tired of the negativity recently that I would really rather be out of it altogether.

I have tried to lighten the mood and to provide some positivity, but every single post is met with deep negativity, sardonicism and vitriol by individuals who refuse to acknowledge the weaknesses of their own leaders.

I didn't particularly want Brexit, but my biggest fear right now is the bunch of anarchists around here who are not only hell bent on making it a self fulfilling prophesy but are already promising retribution threads.

I for one will miss your posts and your efforts to lighten the mood.*yes

It does get way to heavy on here at times, I guess I don't help by fighting my corner?

What happens in 20 years time will be down to others but right now the bottom line for me is I support the result of the biggest democratic exercise the UK has ever experienced.

pdk42
8th February 2019, 03:19 PM
I decided to get out of the Brexit thread a few weeks back and glad I did. Personally, I think we should have a "no politics" policy on the forum. Threads like the Brexit thread only cause division, bad perceptions of fellow forum members and in the end are futile. If people really want to do politics, join a political forum, or better still a political party.

Let's stick to photography with an Oly flavour - there's a lot to be covered there, and lots of positive stuff too.

Tram
8th February 2019, 03:54 PM
Thought it was all harmless banter, old flag wavers can get a bit wound up at times though.

Zuiko
8th February 2019, 05:02 PM
While you're quite right about too much politics, we still have "take a break from photo and camera talk" at the top of the page.:confused:

Harold

Well, talk about the weather, football or single malt whisky in the Lounge - anything but politics, except in the politics thread! *chr

Harold Gough
8th February 2019, 05:07 PM
Well, talk about the weather, football or single malt whisky in the Lounge - anything but politics, except in the politics thread! *chr

I know that but certain members complain bitterly, from time to time, about non-photographic subjects in the Lounge.

Harold

Zuiko
8th February 2019, 05:14 PM
I'm afraid I have decided to take a break from this forum altogether.

I am more than happy to discuss politics, religion and all the other taboos, but I am so sick and tired of the negativity recently that I would really rather be out of it altogether.

I have tried to lighten the mood and to provide some positivity, but every single post is met with deep negativity, sardonicism and vitriol by individuals who refuse to acknowledge the weaknesses of their own leaders.

I didn't particularly want Brexit, but my biggest fear right now is the bunch of anarchists around here who are not only hell bent on making it a self fulfilling prophesy but are already promising retribution threads.

That would be a real shame, Nigel. I really enjoyed participating in your excellent recent thread on medium format film and I would welcome more like that. I'm hoping that by containing the politics within one thread it will be easy to avoid. Did you see the recent TV documentary on Don McCullin, where he was walking around with a Mamiya RZ67 tucked under his arm for street shots!

Darkroom
8th February 2019, 05:58 PM
Thought it was all harmless banter, old flag wavers can get a bit wound up at times though.


You have got the scent of blood now, give it your best shot.
Let that pent up rage out, would you be this outspoken face to face, I doubt it.

Laughable if it wasn't so sad

Harmless banter ? Seems you also get a bit wound up at times whether waving a flag or not.


Darkroom

pdk42
8th February 2019, 06:02 PM
Harmless banter ? Seems you also get a bit wound up at times whether waving a flag or not.


Darkroom

I think this little exchange illustrates my previous point pretty well. Seriously, nearly ever other photography forum I'm aware of has a policy of no politics. I think we'd all be happier here if we did the same.

Darkroom
8th February 2019, 06:31 PM
I'm afraid I have decided to take a break from this forum altogether.

I am more than happy to discuss politics, religion and all the other taboos, but I am so sick and tired of the negativity recently that I would really rather be out of it altogether.

I have tried to lighten the mood and to provide some positivity, but every single post is met with deep negativity, sardonicism and vitriol by individuals who refuse to acknowledge the weaknesses of their own leaders.

I didn't particularly want Brexit, but my biggest fear right now is the bunch of anarchists around here who are not only hell bent on making it a self fulfilling prophesy but are already promising retribution threads.


I couldn't agree more Nigel. The problem with the politics thread is it is the same nasty, bitter, vitriolic individuals continually keeping it alive because they probably have nothing better to do in their lives.

Many members have previously stated there is no place in a photo forum for political discussion and the thread in question proves the case. Politics and religion should never be discussed in fora designed for specialist subjects such as photography as no matter how well moderated, they always result in bad feeling and trouble, usually caused by a minority of contributers.

The moderators themselves contribute to the political discussion and express political bias within this forum.

The lounge is a very useful board to discuss any other subjects and probably the most widely read and used but some subjects such as anything political or religious should, IMHO be banned.

As stated by others, if you do indeed leave this forum Nigel you will be missed as you are one of the few highly intelligent and knowledgeable contributors able to discuss a wide range of subjects without bias. That even includes your rather questionable choice of trouser colours I spotted when reading old posts. :D


Darkroom

Darkroom
8th February 2019, 06:35 PM
I think this little exchange illustrates my previous point pretty well. Seriously, nearly ever other photography forum I'm aware of has a policy of no politics. I think we'd all be happier here if we did the same.

Well said Paul *chr I have to say Graham Of Rainham's "like" is slightly ironic given the number of his biased contributions to the political topic. *yes


Darkrooom

Harold Gough
8th February 2019, 07:04 PM
I couldn't agree more Nigel. The problem with the politics thread is it is the same nasty, bitter, vitriolic individuals continually keeping it alive because they probably have nothing better to do in their lives.

Many members have previously stated there is no place in a photo forum for political discussion and the thread in question proves the case. Politics and religion should never be discussed in fora designed for specialist subjects such as photography as no matter how well moderated, they always result in bad feeling and trouble, usually caused by a minority of contributers.

The moderators themselves contribute to the political discussion and express political bias within this forum.

The lounge is a very useful board to discuss any other subjects and probably the most widely read and used but some subjects such as anything political or religious should, IMHO be banned.

As stated by others, if you do indeed leave this forum Nigel you will be missed as you are one of the few highly intelligent and knowledgeable contributors able to discuss a wide range of subjects without bias. That even includes your rather questionable choice of trouser colours I spotted when reading old posts. :D


Darkroom

That the lack of such discussion prevents bad feeling is a fantasy, as I have discovered elsewhere. Sticking purely top photography was no protection, It is not the subject matter but certain opinionated people who cause upset.

Harold

Graham_of_Rainham
8th February 2019, 07:05 PM
Thought it was all harmless banter...

Somewhat, but...

Unfortunately (very unfortunately) offense, indignation, moral outrage, etc., etc., etc... has been developed into an art form, and is promoted throughout social media as the way to act... As if that was not bad enough, there’s PC and many other “social standards” that put all manner of constraints on what was once “freedom of expression” or good old fashion banter.

I think the problem here is that banter works well when it’s face to face, or with people well known to each other. It’s very easy to look at forums as places where you know the other members, but in reality that’s often not the case, and more importantly it’s impossible to gauge anyone’s mood at that moment when you press the send button.

I freely admit to have fallen foul of making the mistake of typing something, that has not been read in the way I intended it to be and fully accepted that it was my error :o . Even with the emoticons, typed messages can easily be seen to convey the wrong slant on what was intended :eek:

*chr

MJ224
8th February 2019, 07:08 PM
We are all entitled to opinions, and discussion is valuable. But it needs to kept in a good mannered form. I quite enjoyed most of the posts, though not brainy enough to join in...……...:mad:

Darkroom
8th February 2019, 07:18 PM
We are all entitled to opinions, and discussion is valuable. But it needs to kept in a good mannered form. I quite enjoyed most of the posts, though not brainy enough to join in...……...:mad:

Or possibly intelligent enough to make the decision not to join in :D


Darkroom

Harold Gough
8th February 2019, 07:18 PM
My experience of the Brixit discussion is that I get to know the opinions of (OK, a limited selection) of people, other than politicians and journalists, of which I would otherwise be unaware.

Harold

MJ224
8th February 2019, 07:23 PM
Its always interesting and enlightening to discover other points of view. But they have to be made in a good mannered way, and respect others thoughts/ views. Getting overheated is a human condition, but most of here are of an age when we should be aware that "we are all friends" and thus take others views with respect and perhaps (hopefully) with appropriate humour.

Whilst we are primarily interested in photography, Oly in particular, I see no reason why we cannot express "political" views, with manners and moderation.*chr

Tram
8th February 2019, 07:42 PM
I make it a point to never say anything online I wouldn't say in person.
Not sure that applies to everybody and rather cowardly if so.

Internet seems to bring out another side to people hence all the online abuse.
Can't imagine some saying the things they do face to face
Always liken it to the people you see browsing magazines in WH Smith.
Some very weedy looking individuals reading Guns and Ammo and MMA journals.

Zuiko
8th February 2019, 08:19 PM
Oh dear, when I posted this thread it was intended to encourage members to restrict their political discussions to the appropriate place. Instead it seems to have become yet another platform for debate. My bad, I guess, for not immediately closing it after posting. :mad:

Well, let's put that right and in fact I think we could all do with a break so I'm at least temporarily closing the other thread too.