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Harold Gough
10th December 2018, 08:38 AM
The is much current concern about children being enticed into gambling. The latest move is to get advertising for gambling well away from children's TV viewing and during broadcast sports games.

Yesterday the Radio 4 Today Programme had an item on this. Then without a pause in between: "Here are today's racing tips..."

Harold

Wally
10th December 2018, 08:43 AM
More of the now so common government clapt-trap. How many times have we heared, 'We're going to...? They talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

MJ224
10th December 2018, 08:55 AM
More of the now so common government clapt-trap. How many times have we heared, 'We're going to...? They talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

My late Mum called them "Gonnas". I know several...………..*chr

Naughty Nigel
10th December 2018, 09:06 AM
It is a mixed message indeed.

Gambling, like smoking and heavy drinking causes untold misery and must have an enormous social cost. But then government also makes a lot of money from all of these.

Likewise government imposes punitive taxes on cars and road fuel to 'encourage us to use public transport', yet the truth is that public finances would very quickly collapse without the taxes collected from road users.

It is a delicate balancing act for any government I guess but there are some industries (gambling and tobacco come to mind) that really wouldn't be missed by most of us, but for various reasons seem to be allowed to continue unabated.

Like big business it all seems to be about this quarter's bottom line whilst ignoring the bigger picture.

Jax
10th December 2018, 09:25 AM
The is much current concern about children being enticed into gambling. The latest move is to get advertising for gambling well away from children's TV viewing and during broadcast sports games.

Yesterday the Radio 4 Today Programme had an item on this. Then without a pause in between: "Here are today's racing tips..."

Harold

Having seen many recent headlines voicing concern over children gambling online, I did wonder how an 11yr. old managed to do it. In order to "gamble" online you need an account supported by a credit card or bank account. It seems however the "gambling" causing concern is more about children playing computer games and purchasing additional lives, credits, and other incentives.

There seems to be no end of discussion regarding advertising which encourages gambling, being viewed by children, and attempts to introduce legislation to either stop or control it.

This still begs the question as to how an 11yr old manages to either gamble in the way most of us understand it or make purchases within online games without a parent's consent and finance. If my assumptions are correct, it is the parents who are directly responsible for the children's "gambling" and not the advertising or indeed the kids themselves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/44736452

Jax

TimP
10th December 2018, 09:36 AM
Likewise government imposes punitive taxes on cars and road fuel to 'encourage us to use public transport', yet the truth is that public finances would very quickly collapse without the taxes collected from road users.


The public transport argument might be all well and good in some major cities but move anywhere beyond the suburbs and you’re screwed. Public transport is far from affordable either, some train journeys come at a ridiculous cost, not only in money but time taken, reliability and appalling lack of comfort (so I understand, no doubt from fake media, having only travelled on heritage lines for about 25+ years)
There’s going to have to be a huge rethink around taxes once electric vehicles start to gain popularity. Not just taxes obviously as the whole electrical infrastructure won’t cope with anything like the equivalent number of journeys currently (see what I did there) being taken by ICE vehicles.
Interesting times ahead, shame a lot of us won’t be here to witness them.

Otto
10th December 2018, 09:43 AM
I recently bailed out a young friend who'd got himself into trouble with payday loans at ridiculous interest rates. He has paid me back as agreed over a six month period. He never admitted that it was gambling that got him into trouble though he had talked about poker in the past. He learned a valuable lesson though and I don't think he will fall into that trap again.

The trouble with online games apps is that you have to set up a payment card when you set up an account (at least with Apple) so in-app purchases cannot easily be controlled.

Otto
10th December 2018, 09:52 AM
Public transport? Don't make me laugh! Up here there is very little of it and what there is only remains through volunteer drivers because no commercial business could survive. The train is fine if I want to go to Leeds or Carlisle before going anywhere else. We're approximately half way between the east- and west-coast main lines but it takes a couple of hours to get to either by train and bus. I have to get to Darlington hospital soon for an eye operation; an hour's drive, but a three hour train journey via Leeds and York! It's £70 each way by taxi so I'm going to have to rely on friends to take me there and back. At least we're remote enough for the local petrol station to get the 5p/litre rural reduction making it competitive with the big supermarkets.

sapper
10th December 2018, 10:20 AM
The public transport argument might be all well and good in some major cities but move anywhere beyond the suburbs and you’re screwed. Public transport is far from affordable either, some train journeys come at a ridiculous cost, not only in money but time taken, reliability and appalling lack of comfort (so I understand, no doubt from fake media, having only travelled on heritage lines for about 25+ years)
There’s going to have to be a huge rethink around taxes once electric vehicles start to gain popularity. Not just taxes obviously as the whole electrical infrastructure won’t cope with anything like the equivalent number of journeys currently (see what I did there)


Groan...........

DerekW
10th December 2018, 10:22 AM
In the UK you have a choice regarding quality of life
Good transport and internet and low quality of life
or
crap transport and crap internet but a good quality of life

Your choice

sapper
10th December 2018, 10:27 AM
I think that public transport should be subsidised from general taxation, together with a total rethink as to what public transport should be for. Getting folk to and from work, yes, shopping, yes, pleasure even, yes too. So to get folk to work from country areas, there needs to be a good service.
If it were a good convenient and cheap service I am sure people would use it, which would take traffic off our roads, but I am not holding my breath, governments of both colours seem only to be interested in the short term.

sapper
10th December 2018, 10:28 AM
In the UK you have a choice regarding quality of life
Good transport and internet and low quality of life
or
crap transport and crap internet but a good quality of life

Your choice

Not sure I get this Derek.

TimP
10th December 2018, 10:40 AM
Groan...........

Groan? Elaborate please.

Harold Gough
10th December 2018, 10:53 AM
Likewise government imposes punitive taxes on cars and road fuel to 'encourage us to use public transport', yet the truth is that public finances would very quickly collapse without the taxes collected from road users.

Our local council has just, after several years of outsourcing, taken back control of a major town cars park(s?) from a well-know national car parking company (other sharks are available). This is "to save the council money". That sounds ominous for car drivers (aka retail customers).

Harold

TimP
10th December 2018, 11:00 AM
Our local council has just, after several years of outsourcing, taken back control of a major town cars park(s?) from a well-know national car parking company (other sharks are available). This is "to save the council money". That sounds ominous for car drivers (aka retail customers).

Harold

You’d like to think that if the outsourcing company could make money from the car park then the council should be able to do exactly the same.

Harold Gough
10th December 2018, 11:12 AM
You’d like to think that if the outsourcing company could make money from the car park then the council should be able to do exactly the same.

"Exactly the same"? They are clearly desperate for funds, according to recent reports of intended major cuts to social services. They have already cut bus services.

Harold

sapper
10th December 2018, 11:21 AM
Groan? Elaborate please.

In respect of TimP's post, "journeys currently (see what I did there)'

TimP
10th December 2018, 11:23 AM
In respect of TimP's post, "journeys currently (see what I did there)'

Ah OK!

I got the wrong end of your groan posts stick.

TimP
10th December 2018, 11:31 AM
"Exactly the same"? They are clearly desperate for funds, according to recent reports of intended major cuts to social services. They have already cut bus services.

Harold

‘Our’ lot are spending (some might say pi55ing away) an absolute fortune doing something called transformation, we’re talking millions here, and funnily enough a lot of the managers are gettting large pay rises and a lot of the workers are either getting downgraded or ending up basically being a call centre operator. All of this is going on without the general knowledge of the public, although the info would be there if anyone bothered to read minutes of meetings etc.
The cuts are savage and ongoing but there is a strange mentality of spending to save no matter what the cost. Experienced people leave to be replaced by cheaper, younger people. Expensive consultants are having an absolute field day.

Naughty Nigel
10th December 2018, 11:37 AM
The public transport argument might be all well and good in some major cities but move anywhere beyond the suburbs and you’re screwed.

That all went wrong in the early 1960's when much of the railway network was closed, whilst simultaneously new housing developments sprung up outwith the reach of any public transport.

I am told that a significant proportion of British Rail's income during the 1960's came from the sale of scrap metal from decommissioned railway lines and supporting infrastructure.

Blame one Alfred Ernest Marples, Transport Mister from 1959 to 1964, who made his fortune from road building.

In late life Marples fled to Monaco at very short notice to avoid prosecution for tax fraud which I think says a lot about his character.



There’s going to have to be a huge rethink around taxes once electric vehicles start to gain popularity. Not just taxes obviously as the whole electrical infrastructure won’t cope with anything like the equivalent number of journeys currently (see what I did there) being taken by ICE vehicles.
Interesting times ahead, shame a lot of us won’t be here to witness them.

I would suggest that we need a complete rethink of how we run our lives and our need to travel. Throughout recent history we have made great efforts to clean up travel, and are now trying to move pollution away from road vehicles to power stations, but use this as a way of travelling even more. Surely there must come a point where we look very seriously at the ludicrous amount of miles that we and the goods that we buy have to travel day in and day out.

I consider myself very fortunate that I work from home most days and only need to travel infrequently; but on the odd occasions that I need to drive long distances south of the border I find it a miserable experience.

As for fuel duties, I suspect the increasing popularity of electric vehicles and the impossibility of taxing electricity for vehicular use will almost certainly result in the long-threatened 'road pricing'.

Naughty Nigel
10th December 2018, 11:44 AM
You’d like to think that if the outsourcing company could make money from the car park then the council should be able to do exactly the same.

You could say the same about rail operators.

How is it that French, German, Dutch and even Spanish government owned railways and numerous private companies see fit to 'invest'* in our railways but our own government cannot?

* Investment is of course a double-edged sword, which in this case is more about profiteering than pouring in money or experience.

Wally
10th December 2018, 11:50 AM
Public transport? Don't make me laugh! Up here there is very little of it and what there is only remains through volunteer drivers because no commercial business could survive. The train is fine if I want to go to Leeds or Carlisle before going anywhere else. We're approximately half way between the east- and west-coast main lines but it takes a couple of hours to get to either by train and bus. --> I have to get to Darlington hospital soon for an eye operation; an hour's drive, but a three hour train journey via Leeds and York! It's £70 each way by taxi so I'm going to have to rely on friends to take me there and back. At least we're remote enough for the local petrol station to get the 5p/litre rural reduction making it competitive with the big supermarkets.


Me too... They have an in-house charity called Friends of Darlington whom I have used on at least 7 occasions. Worth a try. I live between Durham and Sunderland and the service provided is top notch. One appt was for 7am, and again, no bother. A to and from door to door service with a smile. It's essentially a free service but I'm sure a donation would be most welcome. Two clear day's notice is required but err on the good side if possible. 01325 - 743 866. If you don't ask, you won't receive. Good Luck :tup

Naughty Nigel
10th December 2018, 12:03 PM
Me too... They have an in-house charity called Friends of Darlington whom I have used on at leatd 7 occasions. Worth a try. I live between Durham and Sunderland and the service provided is top notch. One appt was for 7am, and again no bother. A to and from door to door service with a smile. It's essentially a free service but I'm sure a donation would be most welcome. Two clear day's notice is required but err on the good side if possible. 01325 - 743 866. If you don't ask, you won't receive. Good Luck :tup

If you caught the X20 to Durham you would be lucky to get there this century! ;)

TimP
10th December 2018, 12:08 PM
You could say the same about rail operators.

How is it that French, German, Dutch and even Spanish government owned railways and numerous private companies see fit to 'invest'* in our railways but our own government cannot?

* Investment is of course a double-edged sword, which in this case is more about profiteering than pouring in money or experience.

And the same about all our utility infrastructure. Re-nationalise the lot, but ensure there is proper auditing in place and not let things get out of control, run it like a private business but all the savings and profits come to us, not some foreign entity.

Otto
10th December 2018, 12:14 PM
Thanks Wally, I will look into that as a (dare I say it?) backstop :). I don't have a date for the op as yet.

Harold Gough
10th December 2018, 12:20 PM
Me too... They have an in-house charity called Friends of Darlington whom I have used on at leatd 7 occasions. Worth a try. I live between Durham and Sunderland and the service provided is top notch. One appt was for 7am, and again no bother. A to and from door to door service with a smile. It's essentially a free service but I'm sure a donation would be most welcome. Two clear day's notice is required but err on the good side if possible. 01325 - 743 866. If you don't ask, you won't receive. Good Luck :tup

Reading BC are cutting free travel for some of the needy on this service:

"ReadiBus is the dial-a-ride bus service for people with restricted mobility in and around Reading".

Harold

Naughty Nigel
10th December 2018, 12:23 PM
And the same about all our utility infrastructure. Re-nationalise the lot, but ensure there is proper auditing in place and not let things get out of control, run it like a private business but all the savings and profits come to us, not some foreign entity.

As I understand it our railway network, stations and signalling are all state owned, and passenger rolling stock is also state owned. New trains are procured by the Department for Transport who decide which rolling stock goes where. That is the big money.

Rolling stock is then somehow leased to private operators for fixed periods of time as decreed by the DfT; presumably at a rete which more than covers the capital investment over a period of twenty years or so.

It is the day-to-day management of ticketing and staffing the trains and railway stations which is privatised. The private operators also 'invest' money into railway stations and rolling stock improvements to help stimulate ticket sales.

I will be the first to admit that I cannot fully get my head around this (given the lack of clarity over how our railways are run), but from what I can see the 'investment' by private operators is quite modest compared with the returns that are reported by the media.

Wally
10th December 2018, 01:23 PM
Thanks Wally, I will look into that as a (dare I say it?) backstop :). I don't have a date for the op as yet.


If you do get the transport, don't worry about finding your way to the eye clnic reception. The driver will take you and, if you ask at reception / nurse, they will ensure he picks you up for the return journey. As I said, door to ddor... *yesliterally.

Otto
10th December 2018, 01:45 PM
I think I could find my way to the eye clinic blindfold I've been there that often the last few years, but thanks for the info Wally - much appreciated :). I note also that the eye clinic is the only one whose direction signs are on a bright yellow background making them easy to spot :D. The driver will also get a nice day out in the Yorkshire Dales!

TimP
10th December 2018, 05:44 PM
I see Cross Rail are asking for another 1.5 billion! How does one get a share of all of these billions? The government seem to delight in giving the stuff away with one hand while cutting off funds (social services, police, military and NHS for example) with the other. Madness, expensive madness and someone needs holding to account surely.

Otto
11th December 2018, 10:39 AM
They have an in-house charity called Friends of Darlington whom I have used on at least 7 occasions. Worth a try.


I just rang the Friends and they can come out this far. It's the furthest they will go though! They'd like a week's notice if possible but hopefully that shouldn't be an issue - I'd like at least a week's notice as well :). Once again many thanks Wally, that's one less thing to worry about :)

Naughty Nigel
11th December 2018, 05:49 PM
I see Cross Rail are asking for another 1.5 billion! How does one get a share of all of these billions? The government seem to delight in giving the stuff away with one hand while cutting off funds (social services, police, military and NHS for example) with the other. Madness, expensive madness and someone needs holding to account surely.

There are also some awkward questions about how long the Mayor of London has known about this and yet said and done nothing.

Otto
11th December 2018, 05:52 PM
Bodes well for HS2 doesn't it!

Naughty Nigel
11th December 2018, 06:20 PM
Bodes well for HS2 doesn't it!

It does, doesn't it.

Ernest Marples will be laughing in his grave. :(

Wally
11th December 2018, 07:25 PM
I just rang the Friends and they can come out this far. It's the furthest they will go though! They'd like a week's notice if possible but hopefully that shouldn't be an issue - I'd like at least a week's notice as well :). Once again many thanks Wally, that's one less thing to worry about :)


*clap Pleased to hear it can work for you. Should save a load of hassle especially at this time of year. :tup

Otto
11th December 2018, 07:36 PM
I heard today that the operation won’t be this year now, so hopefully the festivities will be long gone by then :).